I was really liking this game until… I started getting into tempering. I would finally find an item with good base stats go to temper and never get the affix I needed. ok finally find a new item again with great base stats oh i really wanted this one go to temper and again crap! I suddenly hate the game and immediately want to quit. Is this someone’s idea of fun? well its not! I would not mind paying more with each try but a capped limit of 5 tries? common on!!!
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No one likes the mechanic that plays the game.
However, there are many sadists that enjoy watching the frustration of gamers interacting with tempering.
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For the most part I’m fine with it.
The only thing I find more annoying is the constant clicking. That includes master working AND Enchanting (which I think is far worst).
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would you be in favor of changing the mechanic for a higher cost of tempering past 5 tries instead of a hard cap?
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Not a bad idea actually.
However, in this case… I’m open minded enough and enjoy the game enough to deal with tempering and it’s mechanics. To me wanting/hoping/dreaming/Wishing for change when the chances are it’s not gonna happen is a 100% total waste to me.
If I don’t have to deal/mess with the mechanic I wont, and if the whole premise of playing diablo 4 revolves around something I don’t like then I Won’t Play The Game.
shrugs For me I find it simple. I don’t like something, I don’t play. I play what I enjoy.
I brick items…just gives me more of a reason to play/chase that item again. Trade for it, may talk to people and be friends with them because of it.
I’m grateful to be the kind of gamer that can go with the flow, or have the common sense to not play something I don’t enjoy… Period.
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I managed to get the affixes I want with max values on the first try on two of my 2GA weapons. Was breathing a sign of relief. I had bricked some 3GA gears with wrong affixes before.
I won’t mind, at the last try, to be given a chance to select the affixes that I want but with a lower value. At least not all is wasted and I can still use the gear until I get better luck.
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I accept bricking item in a game.
It give me the motivation to find better gear.
No, I haven’t brick any item since we have the scroll, because Im not greedy.
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I think this is the case for most people that don’t chase the perfect affix every time. I have bricked a few items, but only when I’m trying for a higher %
Only time I brick is when trying to improve that 1 to a 2 or that 10.5% to a 15% but I’m well aware of the risk. I know that’s not always the case (rng gets us all in this game) but it’s very rare not being able to hit once on 2 different things with the amount of tries they give you.
That being said being able to use 2 scrolls on an item instead of 1, or the option to keep the current affix (like it does at the occultist) would be a welcome change.
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Tempering is not that bad if you’re trying to get a build online or if you’re trying for the odd upgrade.
But if you’re really trying to min/max it becomes a merciless rng wall to progression.
The system is a slight annoyance at best and infuriating beyond a certain progression point.
And masterworking is a chore. Hundreds, or even thousands of clicks.
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The system in its current state is awful. The idea has potential but the execution is bad. Any mechanic in a game that intentionally makes a player feel bad for doing it is the wrong way to execute it. It should be something a player looks forward to not dreads.
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I wont object to that, but Im against the need to dumb down the few challenges left in the game.
D4 is casual enough, we don’t want it to take the D3 or hellokitty route.
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Tempering is crap, but luckily they mentioned that for season 10 there will be massive improvements no ?.. They didn’t ? oh damn… Another 4 months of shi-t Tempering and MW !?
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I agree. I’m tired of clicking. It’s probably easier on a controller then a keyboard I would think… Still annoying though.
100% Slot Machine Mechanic. 
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On paper yes, but not implementation
It would’ve been way cooler if Manuals were expendable instead of the items, and it would’ve been also a mechanic with much more potential, some examples below (for the 3rd time 
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Some examples
Hydra Manual
[8-13]% Lucky hit bonus for Hydra
[1-2] Extra heads
[5-8]% chance to Double-cast Hydras
[15-25]% damage done from Hydras
[10-20]% Conjuration skill bonus
Gain [1-3]% LH per Hydra head
Meteor Manual
[8-15]% Lucky hit bonus
[20-30]% RCR
[14-22]% Increased Radius
[8-15]% chance to Stun on impact
[20-35]% increased Damage on impact
+[1-2] to Mastery skills
Blizzard Manual
[15-25]% increased radius
[15-25]% increased chill/freezing buildup
[3-6]% Bonus LH% per second of duration
[15-25]% Vulnerable damage
[14-22]% Chance to recast on same spot after finished on duration
+[1-2] to all Cold passives
Defense manual 1:
[6-9]% max HP
[9-14]% Total Armor
[5-10]% less damage taken from Bosses & Elites
+[1-3] to defensive skills
Defense Manual 2:
20-25% Fortify generation
20-25% Barrier generation
LH: up to [10-16]% chance to get [6-10]% DR for 5 seconds while barrier is active
Gain [5-8]% Additional DR% while fortified
Summoner’s Manual
[60-85]% Damage from Traps and summons
[1-3] Trap & summon skills
[22-30]% Summoner resilience
[18-26]% Chance for Traps and Summons to be double-casted
Traps and Summons gain [15-25]% of your Lucky hit
Damage manual (really good rolls)
[40-55]% Damage vs Close
[50-75]% Ultimate skill damage
[8-12]x% Damage vs Elites
[55-72]% Damage vs Crowd-Controlled
Damage manual (not as good rolls)
[1-3]% Damage vs elites
[15-24]% Core skills
[25-33]% Trap & Summon damage
[45-65]% Vulnerable damage
Thorns manual:
[10-16]% Total Thorns damage
[15-22]% Thorns damage while fortified
[10-15]% of Core skill damage added to Thorns
[50-75]% of Basic skills damage added to Thorns
Thorns Manual (2):
[15-22]% Thorns damage while shielded (Barrier or Fortify)
[25-35]% of Thorns damage added to Traps and Summons
Basic attack gets [75-110]% of Thorns damage
Gain [25-35]%x additional Thorns damage while all CDs are active
Thorns pierce through Auras and Barriers
Manual of Fire mastery (1)
[2-3] to Firewall
[2-3] to Meteor
Firewall gets [25-35]% increased Area of effect
Meteor gets [20-30]% increased Area of effect
Manual of Fire mastery (2)
[2-3] to Fireball
[2-3] to Inferno
Fireball gets [25-35]% increased Area of effect
Inferno gets [50-75]% increased Area of effect
Manual of Fire specializations
LH up to [8-15]% chance to hit [3000-4000] damage as Fire
LH up to [8-15]% chance to burn [4-7]% HP over 5 seconds damage as Fire
LH up to [7-12]% chance for Burning damage to deal 1% of target HP
Gain [10-20]%x additional fire damage while having a Barrier active
Manual of pick-up Utilities
LH: up to [8-15]% chance to drop Blood Orb on kill
LH: up to [8-15]% chance to drop Crackling energy on kill
LH: up to [5-8]% chance to drop Orb of Refresh on kill
Gain [10-15]%x damage on a flask or Orb pick up for 5 seconds
Manual of misc. Utilities
LH: up to [8-15]% chance for Traps and Summons to double-hit
LH: up to [8-15]% chance for Traps and Summons to randomly execute an equipped Lucky hit
LH: up to [15-20]% chance to summon Familiar on kill
LH: up to [15-20]% chance to destroy all summoned monsters in vicinity
Manual of buff Amplifications
Buff durations increased by [20-35]%
Ultimate skills gain increased duration by [2-4] seconds
Gain [2-3] additional maximum stacks on buffs and passives
Gain [2-4] additional stacks on Aspects equipped
NOTE: All manuals have an attempt-number attached to them (anywhere between 6 and 10 notably)
So personally I’d be pleased/hyped to find the right manual I need in the bunch (if the mechanic worked like that), and I’d know that “everyone’s trash might be someone else’s gold” principle works (at least to a point) for the game
That’s why I think the concept itself is decent, pretty good actually, but I don’t like the current implementation of it… 
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Tempering is fun on items that don’t mean much like non-ancestral items that are easily replaceable. It is not fun when you find a perfect or almost perfect item for a build you are using. Then it becomes a point of high stress/frustration hoping that this item that probably took forever to find isn’t instantly turned to trash in a few clicks.
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Crafting in D4 is just fundamentally bad, was happy to hear Rhykker echo my sentiments a while back;
Deterministic systems shouldn’t be random.
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The Blacksmiths Union has come out strongly in support of tempering. They feel that their members should be entitled to constantly give you things that are not what you paid for and more importantly they should be able to keep your gold and ask you for more to fix it. Lastly if they get bored of trying and failing to fix it they can tell you to jog on and that they don’t feel like trying any more.
These rights are essential to maintaining a strong blacksmith community in Sanctuary. Otherwise they will be reduced to making horseshoes and nails!
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Sam, I do not like tempering on a train
I do not like tempering on the rain
I do not like tempering Sam I am.
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Yeah I like tempering the same way most of Europe likes Trump… 
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I hate it. Full Stop. I tolerate it because it’s one really bad thing about a generally decent game.
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