Being “DIablo4” a game with the number of people it has, it seems crazy to me that we have to depend on external pages to be able to list our items and sell them, not to mention that on external pages people place absurd prices on items that really they are not so rare, if we had a Market in-game, people could put their items there and then it would be evident that there could be many identical objects, and this would make the prices regulate themselves, by supply and demand, until when we will have to be sending messages through the chat channel, no one sees that!!, or it is very complicated, it would be really useful to put an “NPC market” in which we can review in time all the objects that are available, if the idea is to activate the market (since now the legendary and unique ones can be sold) I think it should be the first step.
Let me setup my character as a vendor in town that can list 5 items while AFK. 
I don’t know if you don’t know how to read or you’re just stupid, I’m clearly talking about a MARKET, an NPC.
It would be good if instead of commenting on stupid things you contributed something real, because you only waste the time of people who want to improve this game
Show me where I hurt you. I am suggesting an idea.
Even the most boring system in gaming: Bind on Pickup or BOA would be more creative, innovative and exciting than this “3rd party site or bust” system for pretty much absolutely everything D4 that is the current reality of this game.
It’s a travesty.
From simple quest tracking and regional knowledge of quests available…
to
Basic abc’s of trading and matchmaking and so on.
Even a game made in 2000 had a better system for communication, trading and matchmaking than this, a 4th installment, 24 years later.
Kind of … ~insert word, descriptive, emotion etc~ of choice.
Any word will suffice.
The game needs an ingame auction house because trading over 3rd party sites is bs…
Yep. MMOs from 25 years ago had good auction houses. You could login and see money/items delivered to your mailbox.
Gaming industry is regressing.
The absurd prices are due to RMTs (Real Money Transactions) and Gold Farming bots, which is honestly an issue Blizzard actively avoids addressing.
If the trade system were brought in-game it would need to be the only route to trading (NPC or P2P). You could not let both systems exist.
Because the issue with allowing trading without use of the in-game system would only lead to people not listing items as they could get better prices from 3rd party from RMT CC warriors and just use the trade feature as they do today.
I do agree if it were setup like this, an in game system would allow Blizzard to regulate prices so the market was not skewed by RMTs, and fairer to players who play the game properly.
No, It has gotten wise to the tricks that gold sellers and rmt and flippers aka gold sellers do.
I get your concerns, but it probably won´t happen.
people willing to pay with RM is tiny minority of player base…
There is ofc more people willing to trade via 3rd site but it is also minority…
Ofc RM warriors are subset of 3rd site traders.
but if game would get reasonable trading system, most player would participate and that tiny fraction of RM warriors would not increase prices that much like we can see at 3rd site right now.
You can see it with PoE (where is still just 3rd just 100x better), there are lots of bots even trading bots (thank god for them btw) and every league I played eco works ok.
POE was designed for trade from the gound up. Just not an Auction House type system.
The only way an Auction House would work in this game is to put gold caps on items being sold.
Then when you figure in the cost of masterworking and enchanting, Gold could become a problem which then would encourage people to buy gold from gold sellers. It’s a mess i know.
Make gold not tradable and rm traders are fixed… ?
They did that in D3. I was fine with all the BOA aspects of D3. But the loot in D3 was redone with that in mind.
Yeah that is true, but I missed how it would affect prices… If anything it would affect drop rates but it doesn´t have significant affect on prices.
That depends on what is going on with the league at the time. I have seen prices sky rocket most at the begining of a league.
Yep that is every league and it is normal. There are less items on market so prices are hight but in time it goes down…
but at any point prices are affordable without RMT.
Not going to go into details as I have done so in the past concerning this.
I admit - I have a small sample size from which I parse this data.
otoh I have YEARS of similar experience with such a …phenomenon and much “non scientific INTUITION(sinful I know)” gained over the years.
One must have some kind of foundation by which to make an assessment based upon available data in order to extrapolate a data set(at least an initial one).
I’ll simply say: It was R E M A R K A B L E just how many people were buying materials back in Season of Teh Duepe and Teh Season of Teh straight up RMT.
Keys/Tickets/Summoning materials - whatever you call them as well as Items directly.
Admittedly Items was more of a “whoa Keanu Reeves Really?” vs Materials which were easily 75% of my small sample size of Pub Splits AND Clan AND - most importantly Friends of Friends and Friends of Friends of Friends of…it seemed unending.
Don’t dis-Count the reality of RMT and just how invasive, pervasive and prevalent it is.
Well I for sure don´t have any data to support my claim. It was based just on observations from other games where is open trade with AH and bots at same time.
It is annoying but it didn´t affect eco that much, or maybe did but you was still able to participate just fine even without any RM invest.
do you have any data what % of cumminity participate in RMT?
Nope.
I admitted as such.
I have personally witnessed pretty much all walks of life purchase “Runes” in D2.
I’ve seen first hand a large portion of a Tax Return go into an early Ladder Rune acquisition.
D3: I watched as dozens of people I “friended” or was “friended by” - you know those random games ‘we’ ran when it was pre loot 2.0/ros when A3 & Bastion’s Keep was the “place to farm xp/items” for the rank and file - so many would suddenly show up with random items or full $et$ of gear(this crap was NOT cheap).
D4: I joined a low number vs a ‘grinders’ average of Pubs. I totally admit this.
But between Clan members and friends of friends + the LOW number of Pubs I ran - the Pubs …they were nearly all - I mean ALL - self-admittedly RMT.
It was weird.
EDIT - The following is people I’ve known for years since D3 and reaquainted with in D4 - some of them RMT’d and they also ran with people who RMT’d. I’d literally be in CHAT(Voice) with them discussing RMT gear and material prices many many times and they’d sometimes after XY or Z run take another into the fold - or not - as they’d go their own way… just to be clear)
I didn’t realize that people I had known for years, people in THEIR circles and further people in those people’s circles + …confetti Pubs by the score - fully admitted to RMT and engaged in it.
Sometimes I thought they might think I was FOS or BS-ing when I’d say my Boss Materials count because they were self-farmed(peanuts, small potatoes, handful etc) - but mostly they’d just, paraphrasing - “Oh don’t worry, I got this”…
& either proceed to 1. Link many hundreds of materials 2. dump many runs into the urn or 3. after both: offer stacks of 50 to me “for my own runs” - which I’d just be like “no, thanks so much for blah blah nice to meet you and I appreciate it blah blah I’ll just keep farming blah blah”.
It hearkened back to the Dupe era of D2.
There were times I was a little god amongst the GODS of duping and times I was a ssf farmer with BIG FRIENDS and on and on in all permutations and admixtures…
I know it when I see it.
I can FEEL it when RMT - that…dime a dozen - trivial cost of XYZ valuable game items - so to speak…is involved. There’s a sense to it. How someone is treating something that takes HOURS or is pure RNG and is much more valuable but they’re being totally cavalier and flippant with ← that’s the KEY!
It’s like someone buying rounds of Dollar Shots or “I got the tab” at Taco Bell.
It’s cheap drinks and food and you know it when you see it.
Seeing the prices on these sites I don’t know how true this is in Diablo 4. That gold in circulation comes from somewhere. Unless Gold Bot Farmers are buying up gear and mats. The other possibility is gold duping is still an unaddressed issue.
I could not afford to buy anything there without selling something first based on the gold earning potential in game from just playing.