Diablo 4 feels hollow.. It feels like they just stopped caring about the story/lore

Regardless of what you think about which game is better than what.
The facts of the matter are clear.
Every single Diablo but this one is has a replayable campaign (I forget if 1 can but lets be honest, it was like 1995 and it was the foundation for the entire series).
Diablo 4 does not have that option.
Diablo 3 you could play it again and again on harder difficulties. Some bosses only dropping certain things on harder difficulties.
Both 2 and 3 had secret levels only accessible through some convoluted (but loved by all) grinding.
And why were those secret levels added?? Because of all the Rumours about a Diablo 1 Cow level.
The devs added that in because they loved the meme and they truly cared.

Both games expanded on the Diablo universe with exceptional amounts of lore. Diablo 3 had audible lore in almost every single dungeon. Even if it was just Cain reading about some ugly goblin lol
He’d tell you why it was ugly and some backstory. And you could listen to that wonderful old man talk while you fought your way through a dungeon.
You rescue some old dude from a barrel and he shares his story with you about why he was there, then you find his apprentice.
You go to Caldeum and find zoltun kulle, you learn about his life story through audible lore.
You run through the end game of RoS and you find bits of text that expand on the lore.

Diablo 4 has none of that.
You get the same dialogue from events over and over.
“help were trapped. we couldnt have done this without you.”
“wheres my kid/mom. you left me alone.”

I think it was near the end of the game when running through the desert when I heard some people talking about a lost amulet, or all the atrocities going on in Caldeum.
But there was no quest around that, you don’t find the amulet for them.
In town it’s all just useless bits of dialogue that are few and far between.

But there is a bunch of written stuff, ish, most of it is just observations like “theres a warm bowl of food here for the priest to hand out”.

I honestly wouldn’t even care at this point if they recycled every bit of audible lore from D2 and D3. At least it would be something.

Whether you love the gameplay or not, whether you think one was worse than the other or not, the facts are that the world itself never felt hollow or rushed. There were minor details that truly made each game memorable.

You could replay the campaign over and over, even if it was just burning through to watch the cinematics, or Diablo 2 even had the option to JUST watch cinematics lol

They made books and put the game into novel format, they actually cared about the game, the world, the story, and the players.

This game is a hollow ripoff and is quite honestly, tied with that abysmal mobile game.
When they released the mobile and the crowd booed, the dude said “whats the matter, dont you have phones.”
That same ignorant, out-of-touch mindset completely took over the franchise it seems, and this was the result:
A soulless, hollow game, with a shorter campaign and less cinematics than the RoS expansion for D3.

The longest cinematic that was essentially the game’s trailer lol

The campaigns could be played again and again with the same character. D3 allowing you to play the game on whatever difficulty at any point, i believe, it’s been some time.

And it’s not like the option cant be made, or that it is too much work.
I have 3 hours of gameplay recorded of me replaying the campaign when I bugged the game out.

(im done with the main discussion. more on the bugged playthrough ahead)

I joined my friend’s prologue campaign. I left him to run around a little and infinitely shadow strike the easy enemies with the extra jump imbuement (very fun lots of lolz).
I ended up clearing a stronghold he didn’t have access to, it booted him out, I switched to world tier 3 in Kyovoshad, and did a few legion events before I realized I had the campaign quests still.
So out of curiosity, I continued them. I managed to get all the way to battling Lilith before I got the all too familiar bug where youre unable to attack, teleport, dash, use skills, its. But you can move and progress.
At which point I reluctantly logged out, and when I logged back in I was at the sealed doorway (post lilith) and my game was back to normal.

what was interesting was every area except the one with the campaign quest was scaled to world tier 3. The quest area of course would move from area to area depending on progression, but each time, the quest area would be scaled to world tier 2.
The interesting part was that even though it was scaled down, I still would get champion aura enemies. And only the outer map itself was affected by this. Going into a dungeon would scale the enemies up, and the loot they dropped would be scaled down, unless it was a sacred legendary.

And even when the game isnt bugged, when you go to a stronghold youve not done, youre fighting enemies and doing all that, meanwhile, everyone that HAS completed it, theyre all chilling monster free, neither party visible to the other until youve completed it. Then suddenly a dozen people appear.

The foundation to replay the campaign WITH THE SAME CHARACTER is there.

Even things like post campaign content are accessible even before beating the game. Like world bosses and legion events.
They still happen on the map regardless of completion. You wont get a notification (if you call the little easily missed blip a notification), but if you follow a twitter account that tweets out the location, youll be able to join no problem (because relying on some dude to sit at their desk and check in every 5-9 hours is apparently what blizzard expects “dont you guys have a clock” lol).

Anyways. Thats my thoughts.

If I’d known the campaign quests couldnt be replayed, and the campaign would be so incredibly short and devoid of life, I wouldnt have bought the game.

I enjoy the Diablo series because of the lore, the incredible detail of their take on the occult and the church, the raw portrayal of blind faith, and I suppose the depth of the story.
Diablo 4 has that, yes. the story and the above. But it is nothing in comparison to the rest of the series. And what little there is, was pretty much all seen in the two trailers…

also… lol… idk if this was the same for anyone else, but the subtitles were like 2 sentences ahead of the cinematics for me.

So yeah… an incomplete game riddled with bugs from start to finish, recycled content that’s slightly polished, repetitve world bosses you need only stand in the middle of and dodge occasionally, with a shorter campaign and less cinematics than the RoS expansion.
Yes it has new things like Helltides and the tree of whispers, but really, theyre just glorified ways of getting the same loot you can just buy with obols…

It just seems like they didnt really care and sold a game purely off the success and hype of the previous games.

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Only the d3 cornballs having issues. Some of your points are correct but theres a reason d3 was dead in the water bro

Also, i havent ran into a single bug. Honestly its people not knowing what to do thinking things are bugs :skull:

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Diablo IV is the the best campaign Blizzard has ever done outside Heart of the Swarm. That said, there is no way I would want to keep running it rather than doing the other content.

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No point in reading beyond the second sentence. Arguably, could even be the first sentence.

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holy im not reading all that

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Diablo 1’s “campaign” was “there’s a dungeon, go to the bottom and kill the boss” lol

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Well I have no idea what your complaints are because I’m not reading a rage essay…

D4 is BY FAR and AWAY the best story the Diablo franchise has had. It’s not up for debate by bias D2 fanboys.

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idk why im a “d3 cornball”?
I feel like I tried to separate myself away from playing favourites. Honestly it’s just been a long time since I’ve played through 2, I only remember the general story, I barely remember if it had as much lore.
I hoped to make that clear, if I gave the wrong impression that wasnt my intention.
Im only comparing the depth of story, not the gameplay. They feel the exact same tbh.
But im also playing the rogue with a makeshift build that feels like my old monk build. I like zipping around lol

I think thats great you havent encountered a bug though. I can assure you I’ve had no issues knowing what to do :slight_smile:

Not being able to attack, dodge, teleport, etc, (keys higlight but the input doesnt go through) is imo a bug.
Maybe a connection issue, but everything else runs uninterrupted, so idk.
Also being able to run the game again with a bugged map? is also imo, a bug.
The rogue shadow strike pausing movement and needing to be done again, also a bug. possibly because im using a controller? not sure. but a bug all the same.

To everyone else. An essay it most definitely is. I didnt realize Id gone on for so long. But I suppose im more or less talking to people of like mind, who enjoy the lore and the story.
Idk why im a D1, D2, D3 fanboy.
I didnt pick favourites.
D4 is dope. The campaign is great for what little there is. Im looking forward to the expansion.
But again, story-wise it falls short of the others.
If youre not going to read there really isnt much point in commenting is there? :roll_of_toilet_paper: most of you will need this to wipe your faces :clown_face: because all your half brained comments were gone over in my essay that was like a minute and a half to read lol
why youre scrolling through forums to spew single digit IQ comments is beyond me.

Im articulating my thoughts with as little bias as possible because im seeing a lot of like minded forums that devolve into a which game is better pizzing contest (cant swear because blizzard, like your brains, is/are soft :slight_smile: )

Diablo 3’s lore was such trash that modern Blizzard’s writers are doing us a favor by not trying to expand on Diablo’s lore too much.

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Having a beastiary read by Cain, or the how’s and why’s of any antagonist in the story, or just general filler for the world as you progress through i wouldnt really consider trash.

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Correct, there is literally nothing good about D3’s lore and I have never heard anyone praise it before, doubt they know what a quality story even is.

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Yeah, this game really needs more writing from the team that gave us Cain’s death via butterfly tickles. And Leah, the worst Mary Sue to ever crawl out of a teen’s fanfic.

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Do u really expect anyone to read that pile of text. Just saying.

I noticed the main characters that are body type 1 are motivated, confident, and competent while the main characters that are body type 2 are complacent, mentally weak, and incompetent.

Lilith beat and outsmarted everyone, including physically and psychologically bodying Inarius, and then metaphorically castrating him by ripping his wings off. Nyrelle became as knowledgeable as Donan, a former Horadrim, within weeks? Days? That gave me Rey from Star Wars vibes. You may hate Prava, but she knows what she wants and is tough (walking on lava much!?). Taissa hovered over and criticized Donan while he failed to reforge the soulstone; Taissa had to swoop in and help Donan by giving him recreational hallucinogens to force him to come to terms with his son’s death. After Donan successfully reforged the soulstone, Taissa remarked, “That was it?”

Elias simped after and was used by Lilith. He called her his mommy for the entire game. Lilith doesn’t even mention him after his death. Lorath suffered from depression and alcoholism. Near the end of the game he just gives up. He was ready to die until he read the letter from Nyrelle. One would think an older man and old school Horadrim would be mentally tougher and wiser than a teen girl whose mom just died. Think again. Donan spent most of the game being fat and incompetent. He cowered in front of Lilith, stuck his son in danger, couldn’t save his son, and then cried. At the end of the game he dies from a decoration. I thought this guy was an experienced demon hunter? Inarius spent years meditating in front of a picture of himself but the best plan he could come up with was, “Derrrr, I wun into hell now.” The only reason he got a hit in on Lilith was because she allowed it and he still missed.

Thoughts?..

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This almost hurt to read as much as Leah’s backstory, so thanks I guess.

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Rebecca. You clearly have a lot of anger or youve taken some sort of affront to whats been said. My guess is the words were too big and too many of them. But you seem like a generally toxic person :slight_smile:

I also wouldnt consider playing a borderline autistic character like in D4 really all that high quality story telling.
“i dont trust myself, 12 year old girl. this woman killed your mum, what do you think we should do?”
-does the wrong thing and lilith was right the entire time-
-blows up in your face-

D2 story in general was great and I agree the Leah arc wasnt great, but the dialogue in this… and the scenes…

Donan just walks up to a hellish hand pole and dies, almost immediately after saying to be careful.
Prava (somehow still alive and unscathed after being dragged into a mob of demons) has the soulstone the whole time and her blind faith is enough to make you sick.
She lies, curses you, wishes death on you.
Donan lets her go, at which point she writes an engry letter to have her followers attack you.
And the character response is “they werent the enemy”.

You play a character with the decision making skills and deductive reasoning of a fetus.

There is really no real reason why they were travelling in the first place. Theyre just some wanderer that got lost and saved my Mephisto and they just so happen to be the worlds greatest fighter.

Every writer seems like their longest consensual relationship is with a meatball sub, and the only bits of dialogue theyve ever had are with a cat.

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Diablo 4 is easily better than Diablo 3 when comparing them both in the early days of their releases.

Its not a perfect game, but its solid and has had an overall smooth launch. There are definitely some things that need to be addressed, but overall D4 is a good game. My biggest concerns are with the weird “MMOish” aspect of the game that leaves out the social portions and best parts of being an MMO, and also D4 is a live service game when historically that doesn’t go well for most companies that manage to screw it up. If they can regularly add content to this live service game after having a solid start it will make piles of money.

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No way in hello I am reading all of that, you gotta make a TL DR man, like wtf are you on about writing that much lol

From your title though I wanted to say, wait till you get to end game and there is no chat functions and you cant join clans because they are all full.

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I’ve never been on here before, wasnt sure what to put for tags. Ill see if i can add that though

yeah, idk if i can add tags. I tried typing some stuff before and it said nothing found. Just went down the list a-z and same thing. idk

The gist is, the lore of the previous games made the world feel bigger. This is a bigger world but less little things to make it feel full.

You assume I’m upset, then dumb, because I don’t bow down to the absolute masterpiece that was Diablo 3’s story. Is Leah your waifu or something lmao

The only thing I’m upset about is that the simple, but coherent, train that was D1/D2’s story got derailed by the wreck that was D3. Honestly D4’s story was…servicible. Doman’s ok, Lorath’s ok, Lilith was ok. Neyrelle needs to be fired into the sun because she is the exact same character trope as Leah ported over and Elias is Nathanos Blightcaller ported in from WoW, aka an obnoxious little simp, but he goes away quickly enough.

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