D2R spells > D4

It does depending on the season. Most players use the launcher and not Steam. The steam numbers don’t take into account console players either.

does chill even work in diablo 4? I don’t notice any speed difference like in D2. Using Blizzard spell.

Oh so 1 boss in the whole game?

Im not saying that d2 end game is good.

Im saying d4 is garbage 1crit kill D3 styled game design.

On all tiers of nightmare dungeon the “boss” lasts 3seconds.

There is only one boss in the endgame of D4, Uber Lilith.

Then, here’s an idea: go play D2R.

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I will when the next ladder is out…

But what does that have to do with D4 bosses being the weakest monster in the dungeon?

The bosses do have good mechanics, they are just so undertuned you dont get to notice them.

EDIT: he was talking to OP my bad :rofl: :rofl:

You clearly dont know how this works, its only shows you the number of players that were online at the same time and not the overall population of a game.

Yup. :slight_smile:

Probably will at some point. For now I’ll play this and provide feedback to the devs so we can fix D4 up into a solid game.

Not only that but there is nothing unique to them. All bossess are in the same looking room, stagger mechanics makes any boss fight the same, stagger them as quicj as possible and finish them before stage 2. The whole dungeon and boss design in d4 looks and feels the same everywhere, its terrible

This game has a million issues… but visuals is NOT on of them. D4 looks way better than D2R in every possible way. IDK what you guys are smoking or why you are jumping on the hate bandwagon.

The freeze and burn effects alone make a massive difference.

Criticize the stuff that is clearly bad in the game. But be self aware enough to not let that bias ruin your perception of what is GOOD in the the game.

Looks way better until you start blasting and can’t distinguish whats on your screen.
Or until you check how it actually feels to cast a spell, d4 has no feeling for it

Ehh the fire looks better in d2r but the frost spells in d4 are better other than blizzard

then criticize THAT. Yes, the characters feel weak. Especially when the video is comparing a lvl 39 sorc in D4 with 1 point in each skill, no skill modifiers, and no passives vs. a lvl 90 sorc in D2 with 7 points in each skill (including mastery passives).

But the D4 graphics are not bad.

It’s an unfair comparison just trying to stir up drama.

Except spell effects apparently. I think it’s a legit complaint, the Sorc in d4 lacks impact in both visual design and gameplay.

I agree, I like those.

I think most people are willing to admit the art team did a fantastic job with the environments. I think some small criticism on the spell effects is valid.

Again, the characters being relatively weak has nothing to do with the visuals. Stop equating the two.

By feel i don’t mean damage, i talk about the overall feel of casting a blizzard on a mob in d2r vs d4, d4 feels like a generic web based arpg

It’s not even the spells that grabbed my attention on the vid. It’s the claustrophobic camera and poor resource management - it just feels so constrained in D4. Everything feels like it’s meant to hold you back as much as possible here. That’s the biggest drawback for me. Constantly being held back. It’s not fun.

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We aren’t, look at meteor in d2r, it’s bigger, with a larger radius. When it comes down and comes into contact with the ground, there is a flash of light with an actually light source that casts on everything nearby. Now look at D4’s meteor. It has a smaller radius with no light source at all.

D2r Blizzard literally has no impact on the mobs, It just deals massive dmg, but the mob models don’t move or change as they get hit. They literally have no impact, there’s no feel.

When you cast Blizzard on D4, the minions get slowed and frozen in place; they not only get blue, they LOOK frozen. That is impact.

Yes, D4 Blizzard does no dmg… that should be fixed. But the spell feels good on its own.

Also, again… lvl 1 Blizzard with no modifiers or passives vs lvl 7 Blizzard with lvl 7 Ice Mastery (+ synergies). Clearly the first one will do less dmg. Try casting a lvl 1 Blizzard on mobs your same lvl in D2R and you’ll see it also does no dmg.

I’ll agree that meteor and hydra look underwhelming in D4. Also, I’d say Ice Shards looks bad in D4, but Frost Nova looks amazing.

But I don’t agree with nearly all other skills. All frost and lighting skills look better in D4. The rest of the fire skills look like actual fire in D4, not like the 2-dimentional sprites from D2R.

They don’t do any dmg… but they look better.