Hello;
I’ve put about 80 hours in from last weekend to this weekend. I’ve completed all side quests, all Lilith shrines, MSQ, and all Dungeons. I’ve Played every class to 25 and I think everyone’s Take on druid saying its bad is just wrong. So I put this to the test. I start by setting up some parameters and testing to see what class was the best/worst when it came to completing the first mini dungeon you’re introduced to. It would be straight run to town, run to the entrance of the dungeon go up the stairs, get the chest then go into the dungeon clearing trash on the way and straight to the boss. once the boss is dead the timer would stop and then that would be the time for the “clear”. People say X class is the best x class is the worst but here are the median from running each class 10 times Using only the talent points available if you were a new character fresh start on world tier 2.
Necro (Bone spike): 4:47.53 (Minutes)
Druid (Werewolf): 5:15.32 (Minutes)
Barb (Upheave) : 4:52.42 (Minutes)
Rogue (Flury): 5:40.01 (Minutes)
Rouge (Barrage): 5:20.11 (Minutes)
Sorc (Spark): 5:17.46 (Minutes)
Again: This is only the first dungeon after getting to town.
THE SLOWEST CLEAR IS ROUGE: Yet i find it fascinating that people are saying druid is bad while if we are going off the first clear and times and power level the rogue is by far the longest clear time. Necro is the fastest with BARB in second. People need to stop mirroring what other people are saying and actually test things out for themselves.
With that being Said I think druids at 25 can be completely overpowered. When i fought ashava on weekend one with all three characters not a single one could just mindlessly stand in anything that ashava used. It would chunk them hard if not just straight up kill them. Now this weekend I’ve tested this 3 times against ashava on druid. I can stand in anything it uses and take negligible damage or no damage at all with TIER 1 defensives. Druid is a class where you may not be the fastest or the slowest but your utility and defensives are second to none.
I think everyone complaining about druid being bad needs to re-evaluate and go and test what people are saying. Druid isn’t bad at all. Its just not necro or barb power. Also something to keep in mind. This is a beta, and balance is for level 100. In the grand scheme of things everything we say and think about X class is the best x class is the worst is probably just wrong. we are testing 20% of the game and making statements that are just speculation based on the first 20% of a game that is a different version than the one the developers are currently working on. Just keep that in mind. Things may have already changed or maybe not, but its all speculation. Just enjoy the wonderful game that they have created and help test things and find bugs to report. Its not everyone’s cup of tea but its a beta meant for testing not a live game.
Thanks for reading and I hope that its received well by the community. If not its chill ill still be playing upon release and put in 1000’s of hours. I think the Devs have done a Fantastic job with this game and 06/06/2023 cant come soon enough. Thanks for letting us test the game!
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This post is about as useful as wet toiletpaper. I can also post random numbers with zero evidence other than trust me bro.
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For brain dead easy gameplay it’s Sorcerer or Necro more than likely. The Rogue isn’t bad, and Barb and Druid need gear. Keep in mind this is based on average skill and having a much lower drop chance of legendaries and perhaps even rares as well on launch, so based on just the skills with decentish gear (basically 0-2 legendaries with aspects you added).
Like i Said man, if you want go and test it. I posted my method and youre more than welcome to try i appreciate your feedback tho 
Absolutely right.
people have no idea obviously how to play barb.
And druid well werewolf is badass nothing else to say about it. I dont care about druid caster but I appreciate the added utility of say stone shield.
In difference to necro and sorc you actually need some positioning on barb and druid maybe that is why people can’t handle them.
I felt druid was slightly stronger then barb early early on but its hard to compare without actually taking time and setting up a system to test. Also powerlevel below lv 20 really is irrelevant anyway. If you cant farm through first 20levels without much problems it isnt about the class…
And yes later on I was surprised by how often I could just stand in everything as werewolf and not die. It is very resilient.
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Your “speed” runs have any number of variables that are not accounted for. How many overworld events spawned which dungeon you got how many of the easier vs hard bosses did you face, and which chars got luckier drops. Did you get some help for some of the overworld events to clear them faster. Your testing is just flawed in every way. No single run could give a clear result without strict controls about what you did, when you did it and what drops you got that kept each run fair.
I did 4 char as well and sorc was by far the fastest cause I could kill dungeons without stopping at all. Rogue was close second still very fast though. Barb and druid were both very slow clear times. Again those are single clear time but I had very different results then you. Maybe my drop for the Sorc and Rogue were better then yours, maybe I just easier maps and Boss spawns? I don’t know but the Majority of players have stated Barb and Druid are pretty bad without a buttload of legendary synergy. Rogue Sorc and Necro not that way at all. You shouldn’t have to rely on RnG to make or break a class balance wise.
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Definitely, I think Barb late game will be stonger than druid. I was hitting 10K upheaves while the max i was doing on druid would be 4.3K. But the druids ability to reduce dmg by 50% to the room and break cc and be unstoppable for a a few seconds to save your group then thats where druid shines is in group utility
Why flurry rogue? That is like the worst of the 3 Rogue builds. Twisted Rogue is extremely OP
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This is from when you Load into the game and get to the city, clear the first mini dungeon and beat that boss. once the boss dies time is stopped. after this i didn’t proceed any further because everything else has way to many variables. this was to try to see the disparity between early game power which is almost negligible
Barb is by far the better at group utility, you can vulnerable, group and stun most things at demand with kick and chain or many other combos. Add shouts on that and its not even a contest. But druid brings interesting utility and has good team buffs no doubt about it.
Upheaval doesn’t strike me as the late game build. Hammer of ancients with good crit chance I think will be better. Later on quicker and on demand dmg that is reliable is also important, the ramp time on upheaval is annoying to play around at times. But if you find proper items upheaval can be beastly. HoA is just very versatile and I mean high crit with guaranteed overpower? It one shots elite packs done right in like 1,5sec.
havent played enough druid (just to lv 25) to speculate on the late game. But from what I saw on this run the ability to just take punishment and keep going might be stronger then barb. Bit early to tell though. felt dmg was similar but I had to move around more on barb to buy time for cooldowns.
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Did you not equip any new gear? Did you have the same number of spawns running between areas? Did you have easier or harder map layouts for the first dungeon? How about potions dropping? Way too many variables even in a limited run like that. You would need to NO new gear. Take the exact same pathing route. And you would need to ignore all world mobs and count to make sure that the number of mobs in the dungeon are the same and that your layout doesn’t require any backtrack. Even then there could be small variables that would delay you few seconds here and there. The only way to know for sure would be a prescripted dungeon that is always the same, with exactly the same mobs in the same locations, with exactly the same gear on every class. No other variable to account for.
The maps are all the same hitting the same chests and the same mobs the entire way through. Same pathing and same dodge every 5 seconds. to account for time variables i did it ten times on each spec and then took the median of each class after ten runs. This is the time median between the those potential variables such as crit or whatever it may be.
Hate to point out the obvious but you just said you did this 10 times on each class… just for simplicity there are 6 classes and you are around 5 hours per clear …,. 5 x 10 = 50 and 50 x 6 = 300 you said you played 80 hours … and if you did what you said with not sleep and not stopped 300 hours equals 12.5 days of continuous playing… Learn math LOL
Yeah, I’m guessing Barb. is just not for me. No matter what build I made and what gear I had it was just a slow onerous chore to slog through everything. It was a stark stand out for me compared to all other classes. It just doesn’t match my play style.
@Mantuke: I think that’s minutes : seconds . hundredths of seconds.
First dungeon; thats in minutes. it takes 5 minutes to test this
Using Median is better but still not a big enough sample size and still too many variables. Also the specs you use for some classes are the optimal and for others are not.
with three skill points per class based on leveling from spawn cave to the first boss (lvl 4) there is not “best” i damage is about all the same at level 4.
But there is. Sorc chain lighting is by far the best that early, you don’t even have to stop EVER, puncture arrow for rogue will kill entire wave in one shot barrage usually takes 2 or 3. There is most definitely different damage potentials for those early skills. Werewolf is the best early skill, bone teeth definitely the best early skill, I would say flurry is the best melee rogue skill. WW is the best early Barb skill for clearing dungeons. THe number on the tool tips might be close but the potential damage and clearing speeds is very different.
LOL guess i need to read better…Only got 2 to 25 … cant get back in this afternoon Locks me up right after login. Have to use task manager to kill the game
i got all 5 to 25, the barb, sorc, and rogue i did 2x. one time to 25 for necro and druid.