You just acknowledged the problem right here whilst at the same time trying to argue that it’s not a problem. The game gets boring very fast, because there’s no challenge, no meaningful rewards given at proper times, nothing big to chase, and no feeling of gaming accomplishment at any turn of this game. You finish the game in a staggeringly fast time, and chasing loot at 100 is pointless because there’s no reason to have it. You don’t need to keep progressing at that point. You’re chasing loot so you can chase more loot. It’s like a metaphorical tautology in gaming. We don’t repeat a task so we can continually repeat that same task. We repeat a task so we can improve ourselves at other tasks too. There’s no reason to repeat the pursuit for loot, because that loot gives us no additional abilities to do anything except chase more loot…it doesn’t provide us with anything. It doesn’t open up any new possibilities, and at that point in the game, it barely makes us feel stronger. Once you’re 100 and your paragon board is set in stone and your glyphs are in place, you’re 99% as strong as you’re gunna be. That needs to not be the case. We need to be able to continue chasing something wether it’s endless DMR paragon, or a final level, or something…an achievement.
Nope, devs have repeatedly stated that diablo 4 is designed so that it is ok the game or each character you play has an end. Don’t like it? There is always d3. Forever paragon and its botfest effect is stupid and has no place in modern arpg games.
Edit: Oh and nice way to state “But Muh Trade” without actually saying it. Still aren’t your bits.
I think there’s much truth to this, or at least that Devs “give in” to what they consider “player feedback”.
But like others have said in this thread in the end it’s the decisions of the Devs and it’s irrelevant if they have a strong board-meeting push on them to do xyz or a river of crying players who want this and that - it’s up to them to take in the info, digest it and deliver a game and patches.
Those must ofc be based on their own philosophy, their own direction and visions first and foremost.
Our feedback is only part of that.
that was the point in d2, d3 and now d4
so lets not pretent the loop isnt intrinsically the same
in d2, you get a shako to later get a griffs/godly circlet
in d3, you get 3k paragon to later get 10k
in d4, you get a deathless visage to later get a shako
always chasing power to get more power
anyway, my problems with d4 are
content is time gated
inventory management is bad
group>>>>>>solo
It’s Microsoft, now, so it will be casual going forward as the primary market. Microsoft is interested in seeding games into game pass, and hardcores hate game pass because it adds no value for hardcores, since hardcores tend to focus on one game primarily, perhaps two, and a subscription service like game pass makes no sense.
Game pass is casual city, and for MS, game pass is their core gaming strat, so going forward the Blizzard portfolio is going to be more casual, not less. In fact, expect a major change in business model for the Blizzard games in particular, which have tended towards live service models, as they transition into game pass properties.
“I dont like where to game is going so im going to make a generalisation and assume that everyone thinks the same way i do”
There are plenty hardcore games for hardcore gamers out there. D4 is not and never was intended to aim at people who can play 24/7.
Its like going to mc donalds and complain because burgers dont taste the same as ones from a 5 star michellin restaurant.
For what it’s worth, a game like Diablo is one that I’d rather play myself than watch someone else play. But comparing an arguably single-player game to a competitive multiplayer game is a bit like apples and oranges. Games like CS invariably have more watchability because it’s more like a sport, not too far removed from something like football or baseball. People generally like watching contests, especially ones they themselves wouldn’t really be able to compete in. Like me! I’d rather watch someone else play games like that, the complete opposite of D4.
I think that as a game’s ‘skill check’ goes up, it also attracts more viewers for that reason. If it’s accessible enough, they’d probably rather play themselves instead of watching a ‘pro’ do it.
And finally, view counts on a streaming platform don’t necessarily line up with actual player activity levels either. There’s more nuance to it than that, as I somewhat highlighted above.
You don’t speak for me. You don’t speak for the gaming world. There is no WE here. I enjoyed my 2 weeks of Season 2. Might even return for season 3.
Im not in this boat. I would probably keep going anyway, but i am level 100, did a nmd100, and killed every sumonable boss. I have a 2 of 4 xbow, 3 of 4 ancestral ring, 4 of 4 SACRED ring, 3 of 4 neck, 3 of 4 helm, a 3 of 4 SACRED chest (this one is really annoying), and a 3 of 4 weapon. The only pieces i have that have all the stats are the 3 uniques i use… lol
D2 and D3 are4 034857453890 easier than D4. If you think other wise than you likely never played those. In D2 I was able to solo all game content in my 50s. Which D2’s end game is basically non existent since all you do is just do your farm runs which is just teleport to boss. Kill in 5 secs. Rinse and repeat to the next bosses.
As a side note, there are a lot more casuals in gaming vs the hard core in these types of games along with mmos. Hate to break it to you, but not everyone wants to spend hours upon hours doing something resulting in minor progression. I know I don’t. I did enough of that in Vanilla WoW and BC. The age range for arpgs and mmos I am will to bet is in the 30’s where people work, have spouses/kids, etc. and don’t have time to put in 10+ hrs a day like we could back in the days.
Yes, agreed, and guess who ruined this
No, it’s not the casuals, it’s the “Pro’s” cause according to them builds have to be balanced around “fighting Uber Lillith” and those that say “would be cool to have some more of this” and those that say “why have CC reduction on gear as an affix, just reduce CC”
Like, I can point you to 3-4 podcasts where the “pros” talk and all you’ll ever see/hear from them is yes - even MORE powercreep
Those aren’t casuals that did this kind of damage, if was the exact opposite
Casuals never asked for a fast or fast-beatable or level-breezing game, it’s the streamers/“pros” that do this, cause they “don’t have time to level up” and their “content” has to be only top-tier exclusive stuff - even from day 2 after new season release apparently
I guess it really depends on what people mean when they say casual. I consider myself casual because I just don’t have the time to put 16 hours a day into the game like a streamer. That said, I make an actual effort in learning the game, the mechanics, and trying to make a good build and conquer the high challenge content. I just have to do it a lot slower than the no-lifers.
As such I get testy when design elements creep into games where it pre-supposes a player will spend hundreds of hours on the game and have hours of straight, uninterrupted playtime a day (eg, I can miss a lot of helltides).
I would do it if I could - but I just can’t.
Sounds just like other Diablo games. Maybe just faster to get to that point. But I remember steamrolling things in D2 and D3, so…
Modern ARPG games have no place in gaming at ALL, as evidenced by how fast they all become abandoned under this model. It’s funny how the only LONGSTANDING ARPG is Diablo 2. Also, the devs have never said that. D3 sucked for the same reasons. Notice the pattern? Game gets easier, damage gets out of control, casuals come, play for a few weeks, leave. Game is abandoned and Blizzards name tarnished even further. It’s a rinse and repeat of that tragedy, and you’re perpetuating it by thinking this doesn’t have a myriad of the same problems that D3 did.
Nice edit w/ the trade comment when trade was literally not brought up in a single one of my posts. Trade isn’t the problem. Ignorance is, much akin to the depth of your reply.
No it was not. D3 yes. D2 no. D2 you chased loot until you were blue in the face, but almost nobody hit 99. There was always something more to chase because of it, be it trivial, at least it was there, and getting a better piece of loot contributed towards that end goal.
Now you get to the end goal, and then you do what? You chase loot, so you can chase loot more effectively, so you can chase more loot more effectively, and for what? There’s no benefit left. Getting the better loot doesn’t serve any purpose. It serves you in no way, because your character is done already.
The droves of people that left the game DO think this way, or at least similarly. I’m just the person speaking. Everyone else just flat out gave up because it’s dead in its current state.
Invalidated by one of the most watched games in history, minecraft. A game with 0 skill base or competition whatsoever. There’s a niche few minecraft players who hold the majority of its viewership, most of which primarily do creative play.
So because you enjoyed your 2 weeks, everyone else should have nothing to do for the remaining 14+ weeks of the season?
You ARE in this boat. You’re 100, and said “I WOULD PROBABLY KEEP GOING ANYWAY”, which means you’re not. You did a 100NMD with trash compactor tier gear. You don’t NEED anything else. THATS THE PROBLEM!!!
D4 HAD a higher skill ceiling yes, but it is NOT harder NOW in the sense that you can’t really die in D4 anymore because you’re so strong that mobs don’t even get near you or even get to swing at you anymore. Everything is a 1 tap. EVERYTHING. There is no instance in D2 where you CANNOT die, simply highly unlikely. In D4 if you die now, it’s because you tried to.
Invalidated by the fact that NO build has ever been balanced to an ubers fight to date. All ubers are killable by a single attack even now by MOST classes.
At NO point was this balanced, and they LEAVE this crap in the game.
NO streamer I know is asking for more power. NONE. They are laughing at how powerful we have become.
Do you have something substantive to say or are you just whining about casuals? If you actually want the game to improve, give substantive, meaningful feedback. Your post just comes off as whining.
I’ve given that kind of feedback in dozens of other posts. Feel free to find them. Pretty easy title search by name.
What would you do if i said someone flashed their boobies to me the other day to make me say something?.. gj i kept quiet and only thanked god.
https://youtu.be/xEAMTHtbUoI?t=1366
Just a simple example, of the top of my head, like stop it really… We all know they’re obsessed with fast progression and “efficiency” and “more time to do lvl100”, literally
Just stop, they were the first ones to even say that there was too much CC in game, not that there wasn’t, but the proper thing to do would’ve been much different than what was done instead of what they insisted
This game is made for casuals, they are the biggest marketable population for this game and Blizzard only thinks in money.
Twitch handle? I’d like to see this face rolling
You literally linked me to a video that you’ve ENTIRELY misinterpreted. He’s not asking for more power, he’s asking for sub tier stuff to have the possibility to become USEFUL if you find specific pieces of gear. This would be more reminiscent to how Diablo 2 actually works, where you can work your build around gear when and if you find certain stuff, because the gear actually makes certain things function differently.
As a matter of fact, at exactly 25:55 in the VIDEO YOU LINKED which is only a few minutes after your link, he states VERBATIM;
“Now what I DONT want…I don’t want to sit here and say well Blizzard, you should just make everything easy, I just want to log in, I want to level up in 5 seconds, and win, and dadadadada…NO, I’m ACTIVELY telling you NOT to do that. I’m saying I want SUPER HARD PINNACLE CONTENT and stuff like that. I’m saying the game overall is TOO EASY”.
Those are the EXACT words out of his mouth. He’s not asking for easier. He’s asking for more functional on stuff that doesn’t work.
You thought you had a talking point here, and it backfired REALLY hard, and since you’ve managed to misinterpret something as simple as THIS in your OWN example, your opinion on the matter is now completely invalidated.