Lets discus the most broken minion in the game … aka the Bone Thrall Ballista , WHY is the dmg output of this asset so high?
it shoots from outside ur view , moves to corners , behind pilars or just behind a door that shoots u down even before the door is fully opened .
I was recently facetanking the butcher while just outside my screen a bone archer moved in and one shotted me . A normal minion is more dangerous then the dungeon boss or the butcher . How on earth did this make it true testing ?
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considering its giga slow attack speed the dmg isnt all that high.
i personally only get one shot in unlucky situations. since i can die 4 times its not that terrible.
if your getting one shot by these in s2 you have bigger issues with your build/gear. every class has easy access to fortify with vamp powers. no one should be getting one shot by ballista.
play as a non meta sorc build ( meaning not like 99% of other sorc players thatplay broken ball light sorc ) , if i run a 100 nm dungeons they do one shot me . i shut not be forced to run the vamp power to fortify simlply to survive a normal minion while i can easely take out the elites and boss at the end without it .
also doesn t mather if they have slow atack speed if they shoot from outside ur screen . the arrow travels fast enough that u cannot dodge it while its coming , and if u cannot spot the archer itself since its outside ur screen u can 't anticipate for it either .
The dmg output is just way to hard if u compare it to elites and bosses .
i play ice shard, thats not super off meta, but not the strongest build right now.
if you play something super off meta, you must accept the fact that you wont be able to beat the highest difficulties, hence why its “off meta”
so basically, if you want to play off meta, thats cool and fun, but not a viable option if it comes to the highest difficulties
you are running a t100 but refuse to take advantage of the available options to improve your survivability. sounds like you made your decision, live with it
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i can beat all 100 nms , its just IF i die , its 99% of the time by a balista behind a door or in a far corner that shoots at me before i can even see it . shut not be a issue if its dmg output wouldn t be double the amount that a endboss or a boss like the butcher can put out .
and since i can survive any other treath i dont see why i shut add more defensive powers to survive ONE minion type thats just broken imo .
But ok if u guys rather go offensive on me then admit the dmg output and range is broken , so be it
noone was being offensive at you.
wel claiming there are powers and builds in the game to counter it does not mean its by default not broken ! ya’ll just telling me i shut not play builds i like since there are bether builds out there that CAN survive the ballistas …
Basicly claiming i suck cuz i stil die from them in s2 is slightly offensive toward me instead of discussing/admitting the dmg is to hard and the range thats more then ur view is just lame . those are facts .
noone said that either. Ballistas are survivable and also, dodgable due to their slow atack speed.
also, that hasnt been said either. Stop reading between the lines or assuming stuff.
there are defensive vamp powers available. sorcs notoriously have low armor and therefore do not get the damage reduction other classes get. so if you dont take advantage of defensive vamp powers and instead go full offense then you have to accept that you can die to ballista and some other stuff as well. its really not complicated. i play all 5 classes. i use different vamp powers on all of them. i use the ones to fill in the gaps/shortcomings of the class.
I agree with OP, the only way these monsters are able to kill us is off screen when we can’t see them? Why does anyone thnk that’s good gameplay?
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pff nvm i give up …
I GET IT, u can dodge them , u can build in more defense or dr to survive them , I GET AL OF THAT.
But what i dont get is why u shut do al that for 1 broken asset … i mean if i can facetank a nasty boss as the butcher , fly true any other minion types in any tier 100 without issues ; then it shut not make sence to die in 1 shot from a normal mob thats outside of ur screen …
lets say i accept the huge dmg , the fact it can shoot at u from ouside ur screen alone is a broken mechanic !
whatever , its just a 2 vs 1 here with ppl that just dont want to see another perspective .
I got 1 shot by this once as a rogue in a 98 nmd when i came around a corner running back to place the stone on th altar or whatevef. I also only have 5500 base armor and i didnt have any disobedience stacks, shroud stacks, or the dmg reduction when you basic up.
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yea thats main issue , most of the times if they target u is when ur moving toward next pack , coming around a corner , opening a door and at these moments its most likely al ur toughnes stacks are down . doesn t mather then how mutch life/def/dr u stacked . and since they shoot before u can spot them u just have to be lucky they miss or its a one shot .
My main issue with this is realy the range . nothing shut be able to dmg u from outside ur screen
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To be fair i feel like thats more an issue with boring defensive aspects. If its basically mandatory thats poor design.
Anything that shoots from off screen… bad bad bad
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I’m sorry I have a 100 Necro on a meta build with 20k hp and 20k barrier up with my bone shield and getting one shot multiple times in Whispering Vault on a level 90 NM dungeon. This was a problem last season and it was fixed, now it is broken again. As the OP said, when I can faceroll any other mob type including bosses, this is just broken.
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These things have killed me more than uber bosses. Half the time you don’t even see these goons spawn because they’re off screen. Honestly it’s a little silly how much damage they do.
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Yep. It doesn’t matter how much survivability you have. This things are more dangerous than any dungeon boss out there. Yes, they are slow but that only matter if you can see them ahead.
If it’s slowly aiming at you beyond your vision, that speed wont matter. It will kill you.
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