Barbarian - Current bugs (thread)

Good evening !
I apologize for hijacking the US section of your forum, I’m safely assuming this one gets more views than the EU (or worse, French) part.

EDIT: Seems like I can’t link footage. Well if need be you can contact me, I got an imgur album full of slowed down gifs !

Intro (skip if needed)
I’m your usual long time gamer accross the HnS, ARPG and MMO genra and I’ve got a confession to make (I’m your fool)…

I like to crunch numbers, make excel formulas, code stuff in python, break stuff, analyze stuff, frame by frame if needed and make gifs to spread the good word, because at the end of the day, seeing people talking wrong about stuff (cuz you know “their cousin work at google so he must be right !”) gets on my nerves (you guessed it, I didn’t enjoy the customer support of my previous job)

Bug report (for real this time)
Now that the intro part is done, here are my findings

Direct bleed damage (2H sword and Aspect of Berserk Ripping)
We assumed during the early beta that “direct damage” would scale with any dmg you did. If you did 100 and it was 20% direct dmg in 5 sec, it should be 20dmg in 5sec so 4, right ?

  • Above image represent those 20% (berserk ripping) on top of the 2H sword mastery (another 20%).
  • Issue 1: Seems like multiple source of “direct dmg as bleed” don’t cumulate with one another
  • Issue 2 : Seems like multiple source of “direct dmg as bleed” are capped very fast (at a low cap)

Base damage as bleed
(provided as a form of comparison) We assumed after CBT that “base damage as bleed” was meh. I guess we were wrong.

  • This is Furious WW, 40% “base dmg as bleed”, no problem here, it scales nicely.

Harrogath (unique chest) and direct dmg as bleed
Alright, surely all bleed sources are equal to trigger the almighty Harrogath chest ? Right ?

  • Issue 3 : Berserk ripping does not proc harrogath chest…

  • Issue 4: And 2H sword technique/mastery doesn’t work either

  • Furious WW (our lord and savior “Base dmg as bleed”) works just fine !

Whirlwind and Elite Suppressors
This one is funny until it’s not

  • Issue 5: WW channels that started outside of the suppressor “pit” is considered as a ranged attack, hence the mob is immune !

Casting shout that are currently on CD resets WW channel (FIXED)

  • Issue 6: So this one is tricky.
    Good : You can reset your WW channel which means you can trigger Gohr early and force the game to recalculate your WW to be a “close range” skill against suppressors.
    bad : You reset all aspects stacks and any “snapshotted” buff

Whirlwind and attack speed
Testing was done with only one objective “faster to 10 hits” and footage was slowed down to 0.25x

  • Dual Wield (1.10aps) with 100% AS (gohr + frenzy + unique amulet + AS nodes from tree and paragon + accelerating aspect)

  • Results : 12.5sec

  • Dual Wield with 0% AS (1.10aps)

  • Results : 12.5sec → oO?

  • 2H bludge (0.9aps) with 0% AS

  • Results : 16 sec → Oo ?

My hypothesis here, is that WW is way different from its D3 version.

  • First of all, it doesn’t cost fury/tick but fury/sec, since scaling cost/sec with AS would be quite tedious, I assume that to remove any kind of "stupid scaling"AS scaling with WW got disabled to prevent it from becoming just another multiplier to an already strong build.
  • Second of all, to make Dual Wield somewhat relevant (with their lower base dmg), some form of damage scaling had to be done (those are 1 hand sticks compared to big axes and swords). Hence I’m gonna assume that the weapon base Attack per second or APS is factored into WW “ticks frequency” (or dev added a flat ~= 1.25 as multiplier when dual wielding).
  • Issue 7 (?) : Not sure if it’s an issue, but having AS scaling up both cost/sec and number of hits could be nice

Gohr, go home you’re drunk !
Given the above statement, I’m gonna safely assume that AS got included into Gohr baseline stats as an honest mistake (it’s litterally written that “Gohr was clearly no craftsman”)

Fortify Generation and Aspect of the Protector

  • Issue 8: Somehow aspect of the protector (gives a barrier when hitting an elite) also procs when you’re generating Fortify, I believe it to be because of Thick Skin (give x fortify when you get hit)

Ramaladni’s magnum opus
Just an odd feeling which might be related to the way “Dual wield” damage is calculated but, I’m sitting at 212 fury atm and the damage boost feels nowhere near a “conceited aspect” that gives you roughly the same dmg multiplier (40% on an amulet).

  • Question Would you mind to elaborate on how Ramaladni damage bonus is calculated ? It really doesn’t feel like a x1.4 multiplier (assuming a 0.2x ramaladni) and 200 fury.
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"WW channels that started outside of the suppressor “pit” is considered as a ranged attack, hence the mob is immune ! "

Bruh, it all makes sence now. Really hope blizzard sees this list.

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Fantastic research work. Hope this gets some attention.

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Small bump for visibility, thanks everyone for sharing this post !

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Whirlwind and Elite Suppressors
WW channels that started outside of the suppressor “pit” is considered as a ranged attack, hence the mob is immune !

  • Can confirm. This is quite annoying when running keys with suppressor affix, which really should be a non-issue for ww barbs.
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Whirlwind and Elite Suppressors
This one is funny until it’s not

  • Issue 5: WW channels that started outside of the suppressor “pit” is considered as a ranged attack, hence the mob is immune !

I also have video footage of this bug. Very frustrating when attempting solo nightmares.

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06/13: Added the WW snapshot bug with shouts

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No wonder Elite Suppressor mod sometimes died instantly and sometimes not.

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Hopefully devs take a look at this!

dev, please see this