Are the devs actively trying to drive away Eternal players?

At this point there is literally no other explanation with the announcement of the changes to leveling and itemization. Do they not understand that there is a substantial portion of the playerbase that does not want to start over and only wants to level and grind gear once? Or do they simply not care?

Either way I am glad I didn’t preorder the expansion and now I am absolutely confident I made the right decision. Why would I buy an expansion that will take away all of my hard earned items (and I do mean hard because the current system of obtaining them is a ridiculous grind) and actively make me weaker? Why would anyone?

Edit: To everyone saying “they need to improve the game and these constant shakeups are a part of that” I would like to say two things:

(1) the game should have never been released in the sorry state that it was. The decade+ of time and resources they poured into the development of D4 should have been more than enough to create a quality game that didn’t need numerous massive overhauls several times in its first year just to be playable.

(2) none of these shakeups strictly require that all old items become defunct and indeed most of the changes they’ve made so far, aside from perhaps the massive itemization overhaul that introduced the new upgrading system, could have easily been made retroactive. The fact that they chose not to do this is just that, a choice.

And that choice is going to cost them a customer that has played every single Diablo game and all of their expansions up until now. Do they care? Of course not, I don’t delude myself into thinking that. But you know what? I don’t think I am the only one they will lose and I hope when that reality finally dawns it will haunt them, or at least their pocketbooks since that’s all they seem to care about anyway.

Edit 2: The discussion has devolved into a debate over whether the Eternal Realm is valid at all. I won’t argue with people who believe otherwise but I would advice they look up the word “eternal” in a dictionary of their choice and tell me how anything that’s happened on the “Eternal” Realm since launch fits any accepted definition for that word. The word “eternal” carries a connotation or permanence and something that is ageless and unchanging. What we’ve gotten instead couldn’t be further from what is implicit in that term.

It was all a complete lie by Blizzard and those of us who bought the game in good faith were completely ripped off. Absolutely nothing in the game supports an Eternal Realm, not the limited character slots or storage space, and certainly not the constant invalidation of gear. None of this was made apparent before the game launched and players had no reason to believe it would be the case because I has never been so in any other Diablo game.

Lastly, to reiterate once again, there is absolutely no reason they need to constantly mess with item and level caps and any changes they do feel are absolutely necessary can also be made retroactively.

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It sure feels like this to me . Just really disappointed

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I would say they just don’t care. It’s been like that for how many seasons now. It’s mind-boggling to be honest.

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It’s a seasonal game. It was designed to be seasonal from the get-go. Much like every other ARPG that uses seasons, the non-season is basically character storage and for messing around with old builds and testing speed levelling etc…

It’s not generally expected that people actually play Eternal instead of Seasonal.
Sure, you can do that, and you’ll get all the new mechanics and gear etc… but it wasn’t intended for people to live out their play time in Eternal only.

If stuff changes, it changes. They’re not going to stop making the game better because it impacts how Eternal players feel about the changes.

Your expectations are way off-base. If you don’t want to play a seasonal game and you’re unhappy with the way Eternal works, then perhaps this isn’t the game for you.

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Honestly, their disregard for anything other than seasonal is astonishing and it should be taken more seriously than it is. Never was a D2 character completely useless after a ladder. They really need to separate eternal completely. IMO, they are missing out on a good chunk of a player base that would prefer to just do everything once and keep min/maxing their multiple characters in a retro/nerf-resistant environment.

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What does that portion want to do then? The game is about getting loot. If there’s no more loot to get then what are you even doing?

Eternal players on here treat these moments of them adding better stuff to the game as if it is some bug that is breaking all their stuff, but I’m sure the devs (and most of the people who actually play eternal) view it as a feature. More stuff to find, more levels to earn = more game to play.

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Yes and yes. This is also another way to get more folks buy VoH.

Welcome to WoW Lite , every expansion there going to do this and cook Eternal PLayers. This was the plan when they decrease the level. Every Xpac there just going to go 10 more Skill points , 10 more lvls . So if you want to play Eternal you have to redo everything at a minimum going forward once a year or every xpac at the current rate when S6 hits. So its not really Eternal until maintenence mode and D5

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This does explain why mythics are dropping like candy, probably be all junk in VoH expansion. Yet another “legacy” gear junk pile. :upside_down_face:

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Im sorry to break this to you but they didnt advertise this game as a seasonal game. This is a baked up BS the community has driven through the devs and other people’s heads for years specially with D3.

You can enjoy the base game just as much as a season because in both all you do is chase gear and perfect stats. Only difference between eternal and seasons is, the seasons are limited competitive time frames to do such things vs eternal.

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It’s not stupid, your copium is though. Can’t handle the fact eternal exists and people like it? That’s funny.

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Not stupid at all…this is spot on.

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It’s copium to think that D4 was never advertised as a Seasonal game.

It’s stupid to say that it wasn’t.

Play Eternal if you want, I don’t care how you play it, but stop complaining that they’re doing things that impact Eternal when (1) it’s expected, and (2) that’s not how the game is intended to be played.

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I wrote some post warning eternal players to not bother until after VOH, being that it would surely be another big shake up. 3 back to back has killed eternal for now.

The 2 most recent seasons were needed to improve gear. Unfortunately it ran right into expansion. So eternal will have been pointless for a bit now.

If they cared at all about eternal they should have addressed this by saying something about how this isnt their intention, and players can expect longevity in their gear, at least until the next expansion.

Otherwise this game doesnt need an eternal. I wont be buying the expansion until I see some sign or word from the devs that their gear reworks are settling. Even then, I won’t buy until a sale or next expansion out of spite. Serious, but being cheeky on that last bit, as it is just a game.

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No but they are actively trying to keep seasonal players. The side effect of that is upsetting eternal players. I’d say statistically speaking seasonal players make up the vast majority of players and revenue.

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I would probably agree with you , I do believe I am in the minority. I am an eternal only player, and I guess what would be considered A whale. I own most every cosmetic pack, horse mount , and weapon skins in the game. I also purchase and buy out all tiers of the battle pass just for the cosmetics. I am ready to quit the game because of this latest “rebalance”. I know all games are a giant waste of time, but when the game throws that in my face, I just cant stick around. So IDK, maybe they will lose a whale or two as well??

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It was advertised as both quite literally, otherwise eternal wouldn’t even be there.

And I have to assume that the GAME, because it is indeed that, is intended to be played however the players want to play it.

They want to play an eternal realm without fear of losing their hard work (because that’s EXACTLY how eternal was advertised) and they aren’t getting it. So there is discontent regardless if you agree or not. Not sure why the need to simp for seasons anyway, it’s not gonna slow down or stop, that’s for sure.

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I’ll take you on your word you actually do that. But again whats the balance on whales in eternal vs seasonal? Lose 100 grand to make a few million is an easy choice.

Seasonal resets must be gone.

Where is Jagdkommando? :grin:

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I absolutely agree that the scale most likely tips way in the favor of seasonal, no doubt. I just feel like it costs them nothing here to reconsider what everyone pretty much agrees is a giant nerf to eternal players, despite how small the playerbase.

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