VoH has been a huge improvement on the game in many ways. One way that it takes several huge leaps backward is gearing. Blizzard knows this is an issue, it was flagged in the PTR and the way they artificially lengthen the loot shower by having mats drop in small clusters shows that they are very aware of the issue.
It’s not that I’m not playing the game. I’m at paragon 216, I have one more world boss to kill and I will have 100% the season. I can destroy Torment 3, and survive Torment 4 - but I can’t kill things quick enough for timed content in Torment 4 largely because I not getting ancestral drops that are any good. I have improved any of affixes my build needs from ancestral, so things like storm swell are still stuck at 16/21 because nothing drops.
I had hoped that this last patch would fix the issue - but no! You could boost the ancestral drop rate by x10 and that might just about be right!
As for mythics, over 300 boss kills on torment 3 and just 1 useless one has dropped for me.
I got 2 Ancestrals just by gambling pants at the purveyor. One was even a 3 GA.
I got 5 Ancestrals in a full clear Helltide (1 hour of play).
Seems about right on target, to me. If your build can’t comfortably farm T4, either look to your build, or farm T3. There’s no shame in farming T3 for higher efficiency. The drop rate between T3 and T4 isn’t that much of an increase (unlike going from T1 to T3).
No…5 in an hour sucks, particularly now that fully maxing out our damn aspects are locked behind ancestrals now too. You can go through hundreds and even thousands of ancestrals and still not find something good.
We know because Tormented bosses used to be a good way to farm better gear because they dropped tons of uniques and legendary items during rotations but it could take ages to find good items still.
This change sucks currently. I see what they were going for but we need to be able to target farm ancestrals during certain activities and be able to consistently get them. Helltides need buffing too, Maiden loot sucks now.
Ancestral uniques rain from the sky as I said - but you equip maybe two in your build. Where are the ancestral legendary items - there aren’t any in your little pic are there?
They are maybe 1 in 100 drops, for most that do drop the boosted aspect is trash (resist x) and as I have said in a week of farming not one has dropped that has boosted any codex aspects above 16/21.
This is not a grind because there is just no hope of improving gear. since getting my initial set in torment 1 of gear (that is fare from ideal) I have literally got one peace that that has boosted my crit chance by 2%. The mythic I have is crafted from sparks.
I’m not excited to see what I’m going to get when loot drops because I just know I will be vendoring or breaking it down for mats - and the point of a looter like this to be excited by drops.
And I know there is nothing wrong with Torment 3 - but what’s the point when the only power boost available to me is +5 int because my build is complete and the loot I need is so rare.
I’m interested in why you are so determined to put me down and tell me I’m wrong. Am I not allowed to express an opinion on drop rates? Is that not what these forums are for?
Drop rates for ancestral gear suck, and need to be improved simple as that.
Yes, you are wrong. The loot feels good. We don’t have 5 inventories of loot to sort through for a single dungeon trip anymore.
You’re at a point where only the top 1% of loot is an upgrade, and you’re complaining it’s not enough. You’ve played 60 hours in a week. Most jobs don’t even require that.
But let’s extrapolate your wish for a second.
Would 40 hours played suffice to get all your desired loot?
20 hours?
Because increased loot as you desire would only decrease your playtime given the same point in the game you are now.
Ancestrals drop plenty. They’re the most powerful versions of a specific item, they’re not supposed to be raining from the sky. In T4 and being efficient, the droprate is fine.
The only issue with ancestrals is how hard it is to get high level/max level legendary aspects from them.
Mythic droprate is also fine. I’ve killed no idea how many bosses on T4 (probably 200+ now) and have found probably 9 or 10 mythics.
You only show that progression is too fast, because you have reached the ceiling in just 30 hours. But instead of cutting down on drops, you want moar, moar! Suppose you get your mythics tomorrow, what will you do then?
No. I’m not even close to the ceiling. Sure, T4 is a complete joke, and for the most part, all I have left is pit pushing, but I’m nowhere near 150.
The issue is that my progression has completely stalled out, which isn’t fun. Getting no useful loot, in a loot grinding game is beyond stupid.
What do you not understand about that?
What should I have to do, become a famous streamer and have 30k people hand me crap all day to make some progress for my time?
This is the 6th iteration of the grind. You can’t just hint the carrot any longer. If you want to keep people engaged, then meaningful progression in average playtime need to be a priority over the course of the entire gear treadmill.
I’d say that I thought less loot meant better quality loot, but that hasn’t been my experience. I see too many useless affixes repeated over and over. Not enough GA loot either.
This but also there just needs to be something that addresses loot in general.
Like it’s not fun to sit at a boss filling your inventory with “Uniques” mass destroying full inventories of them, keeping only the *. The most common item in the game now are Uniques and that just sounds bad. Doing any activities really, Uniques have become the least wanted thing to see.
They need to rework the unique system in general since let’s be real, the only thing we truly care about from a unique is it’s affix. I would 100% rather see an Ancestral legendary drop than a Unique in almost all cases now. We can’t enchant, we can’t temper, these items are just blocks of space that impede building your character the way you want to begin with.
The whole Ancestral flag is just as bad as the old “Sacred/Ancestral/Legendary” system we used to have. It’s the same thing wrapped up with a different bowtie. Now everyone is just mass deleting anything and everything that doesn’t have a *.
Even on T4 Ancestral drop rates are abysmal. Loot is not in any way exciting anymore, there is no lucky carrot I am surprised and thankful to see from anything in the game, maybe a rune (or of course a Mythic but that’s not likely) so the day by day grind has returned to me feeling like the local dungeon garbage man taking and smashing all the things.
There is no filter still. At this point I would be happy if I could just filter to only show * and everything else be auto deleted. And this isn’t because I hit “end game” which doesn’t exist anyway, it’s been like this since maybe a day or two after hitting 60. It’s very easy to get your build online with target farmed uniques and basic legendary equipment and then the only way to improve is finding ancestral versions of that gear.
So a day to finish the grind to 60, a day to gear up and now your in the worst loop for gearing I’ve ever seen in an arpg. That’s not healthy long term.
