After spending an enormous amount of time on tediously unlocking all lilith altars, all waypoints, and exploring the entire map on my first character (level 52 currently) I decided I wanted to try a new character for a bit.
Only 5 waypoints carried over. The entire map is in fog again. All Lilith altars are again locked.
I get that we keep the bonus stats from unlocking the Lilith altars the first time around, and on the second playthrough/adventure mode playthrough they could be seen as optional for extra renown. Sure. This one is not a big deal to me.
The ENTIRE map being hidden behind fog again and losing all but a few of the waypoints again? Seriously? Killed my entire desire to make an alt character.
Either give us the whole map unlocked or give us the WPs unlocked, or better yet both, we don’t have to start at near 0 renown each alt character. You could even tie it to the achievement for exploring all of Estuar, once that achievement is unlocked open the map for all characters that are in adventure mode.
I would rather start with 300 renown in each zone and all areas/wp’s unlocked for each zone, so what if it lets us hit level 2 or 3 on a fresh character before leaving town instead of starting at level 1? We are starting with +20 in all stats and +10 skillpoints anyways thanks to Lilith altar unlocks and renown unlocks, there’s no reason to restrict it this much, all this does is make alt characters feel even more tedious to get to a fun point to play.
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did you finish the story? i mean im reading everywhere that it’s all account wide. So must be a reason for this right or.
I finished the story and made an alt, and the OP is right. The whole area is covered in fog again. There are a few waypoints unlocked but going to them is a bad idea. The whole map is level gated. So you pretty much have to go through the map again in the same order the campaign completing the open world activities to level, just without the campaign story. It’s an odd system that doesn’t feel very good. Technically you can try to go somewhere else outside of the expected path but enemies there might be 35 when you’re level 12 and you’ll get one shot and do no damage. I liked the rift structure a lot better honestly.
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that super weird… what than happens if you would start an alt before you finish the campaign. would you than just be bound in campaign twice.
It’s especially annoying when you want to do the lilith altars with different characters. You have no idea which ones you already visited with other characters.
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Really? That’s the thing that “killed everything forever” for you? Having to run a little?
And if that REALLY is just too much for you to bear then group with someone and have them get the waypoints for you.
You have not finished the campaign! I know, what are you talking about? If you have not done the Capstone Dungeon, you have not finished the campaign. This allows you to totally skip the story. I would think it would allow you to have a complete map. However, as I am a normal gamer with multiple gamer friends, my highest character is 30.
This is false information. The campaign is complete when you kill the final boss. Capstone is not apart of the campaign its apart of the endgame.
What OP is saying is true and its rediciulous. I died on a 52 druid wt3 (HC) and when I made a new character, everything was hidden except for major waypoints. Additionally, if anyone is playing HC and you die before you COMPLETELY finish your renown (all 5 tiers per zone), youll have to start over. Which means itll take you even more time to get those 4 paragon board points per zone.
The only good thing is you keep the stats from the statues.
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Druid is 61 or 62 idk. Can confirm map exploration and waypoints don’t carry over. The only thing that does carry over is the bottom row of stuff on the rewards page.
If you don’t entirely fill the renown bar with a zone, you will be starting from scratch on a new character.
You dont have to do the capstone dungeon to skip the campaign on alts. You just have to finish the acts. I just rolled an alt a half hour ago and was given the campaign skip option. I have not done the capstone dungeon yet.
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really dumb design. At least let us see all the discovered waypoints, dungeons, altar of lilith…etc
I look at the totally blank map and i lose all interest to play new characters.
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Yup you get the stats.
And the major waypoints and your horse.
The map definitely shouldn’t be covered on alts when you skip campaign. It makes no sense. This is effectively adventure mode, I’ve already seen the map, why hide it again?
Also, the Codex unlock for alts is still stupid and should have been fixed during beta. Level 25 or unlocking a codex power… BUT if you already unlocked them on your main you have no way to get them early for an alt? Non-issue for people being power leveled I guess, but why screw everyone else over?
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I find it hilarious how many people advocate for complete spoon-feeding. Makes me wonder why they picked up this game in the first place. It’s a new character. A new hero who is starting from scratch. Why should the whole map and all the way points be auto-discovered? It wouldn’t feel like a new character. Get someone to TP you all the waypoints if you must.
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Every ARPG i can think of has the whole map hidden on alts.
its only logical if you choose “skip campaign” cause youve been at all these places before. Could understand your logic if you start a new story
They’re not supposed to all be unlocked when you start an alt. What you get from the statues is account wide stat boosts, that’s what carries over. You still have to get the statues for renown. Unlocking all the statues and the map for you would create a situation where they also have to give you the renown associated with it for free.
The renown is totally optional on alts, it’s just extra XP and gold and not even that much of it, that’s literally it. You get the ACTUAL renown rewards once, and it’s good for every character you make. There’s no problem here.
As for hiding the map again, so what? You have a mount at baseline and you already know where everything is. Who cares that there’s fog everywhere? It’s a minor inconvenience at most, hardly something that needs addressing.
The exploration of the map, the uncovering of it… shows where you’ve been with that character, if the map were fully explored… how’d you know where you’d been? You’d have to check manually everytime… you’d need a diary and a secretary… probably a pa… I’d rather a covered map.
Think of it this way, you go exploring the woods by your house (1st Character), you show your brother the woods (2nd Character), you show your sister, your cousin (3rd and 4th Character) the woods.
So, it only makes sense to cover up parts of the story that have not been explored by any character. Okay, there may be places that you keep hidden but there should be a function for that as well.