Open trading will make things infinitely worse, then it will become a pure Pay-to-Win system. No thank you. I am open to making everything purely account locked, but I am flexible enough to allow intra-party trade for items discovered while in party, and then account, or even character locking them.
As i described before……
This is how p2w is done in D3 botters and multi boxers provide a service where the buyer joins the party and all loot goes to the buyer.
Only normal free trade will prevent tos violating p2w.
However p2w is just something for the TOS violators, so just don’t violate the TOS and you will be fine.
An other form of p2w is where you pay the owner of the software to make things easier or pay for powerful items.
What you are describing is nowhere near as effective as it would get with open trading.
Sure, someone can boost you, giving you loot, but it takes a lot of time and you are not guaranteed to have any good drops at all.
With open trading, you can directly buy gg items that could take months or even years to get by playing the game. That’s a completely different level of p2w. In D2:R, items are worthless by now thanks to this. You can choose to farm for months, or spend five dollars…
And account selling is something not many players will do, also it can be prevented by real-id accounts.
Remove trading = remove p2w
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Why do you care about pay to win?
PvE isn’t a competitive game, and PvP isn’t even implemented yet. Plus, most PvP players will all have near-perfect (if not perfect) gear anyways, so that comes down to a test of skills.`
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Because that’s the main reason of online, server-sided character files - To prevent cheating ? To have a fair game for everyone ? PvP will be a real thing here. Even in Pve, there will be a lot of competition, with leaderboards etc.
Your logic is flawed. We could aswell allow hero editors with it.
Server side characters have literally never prevented cheating; in D2 battle.net, characters were online, yet duping and botting was rampant. Blizz had a solution, Warden, but basically never used it.
Blizz basically condones cheating and only makes a nominal show of curtailing behavior before letting things get out of hand again.
So just because we can’t eleminate it 100%, we should stop trying and allow it without restrictions ?
Without trading, 90% (or even more) of p2w will be gone. Power leveling/boosting and account selling is negligible compared to direct buying of best items that takes months or even years to get by playing the game.
Botting will still be a thing, but the bots cannot damage the game that much, as all the wealth is locked to that one botting account. Once this account is finally banned, most of the damage it caused to the game is removed. With trading allowed, banwaves are a joke, as by the time the botters get banned, they have already transfered all of the botted items to storage accounts or final p2w customers that will not be banned.
pretty much this yes.
I’m saying Blizz wants cheating to happen because they indirectly benefit from it. Same with p2w.
Remove trading = solo game and p2w like D3, resulting in a dead game after 3 months
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And the good thing about D4, there is nothing to win. There is just entertainment and if you like you can join the solo self found ladder.
Basically if someone in D4 is talking about p2w they either have no idea what it means or they have brain damage.
And getting back on topic, only free trade result in the end of paid services like in D3.
Besides that, there should be an auctionhouse again. In d3 free trade and the ah resulted in a 5.2m daily players instead of the 50k that remained after the removal of trading/ah
If items are worthless, why would someone spend electricity to get items? Paid services only work if they make money. So basically your are saying you are lying or using bogus facts.
Also it is smart to compare a 20 year old game with a modern game and its tools.
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I don’t have the energy to explain it to every person, as I did that so many times already.
But in short, you do really not see the difference between:
-powerleveling/boosting
and
-directly buying the best items without playing the game ?
??
Account selling can be prevented/minimalized pretty easily.
Online game is to provide fair playing ground for everyone.
There IS competition, both in PvE and PvP.
Prevention of cheating is important.
Open trading allows huge cheating.
How is D3 dead ? I don’t really like that game anymore, but it is far more alive than Diablo 2. Diablo 2 is pure pay to win JSP fest. Normal legit players don’t stand a chance. Just to participate in PvP, you would have to either grind for years, or open your wallet, either on JSP or direct RMT sites. Ladder is a joke, JSPers and RMTers have BiS gear in few days.
About the items being worthless, by this I mean that the value you can get from farming is non-existent. Farming for month to get a Ber rune, or for a year to get a gg rare/crafted, then finding out that anyone can buy it for one dollar (rune) of 50 dollars (gg item) ? Even hundred dollars is nothing compared to the time you would have to waste (yes, waste, D2 grind is boring and repetitive, far worse than in D3 and what in D4 will be).
It is far more satisfying to find a super rare item, knowing that if someone else wanted it, they would need to spend a lot of time playing the game. Not just instantly swipe credit card. Such item has a value to YOU. Item that is buyable for one dollar has next to no value for me, no matter how hard it is to find it in the game.
No trading = fair game, not dead game, there will be more incentives to play with others in a party than in Diablo 2 thanks to personal loot. In Diablo 2, public multiplayer is a joke. Only used for faster leveling, then everyone grind items on their own.
Basically you are describing yourself as a very jealous insecure person. There is no win in D4, just entertainment.
I strongly recommend not to watch any “content creators” and streamers anymore. It will make you depressive.
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See, that’s why I don’t want to bother explaining. You barely read 10% of my reply.
This low attention span people generation…
I am insecure jealous person because I want a fair game ?
Okay, nice logic.
Streamer advantage is also limited when trading is removed, as the dumb followers cannot supply them with items.
No trading means a solo game.
Again, as described before, d3 is 95% botted and very much dead compared to the time when there was still trading,
With these number: no trade means no community and just bots.
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Here’s my suggestion and possible workaround: Make a trading community or clan whose whole intention is to always be grouped. Group like classes together to class stack. With this I believe you are allowed to share loot for up to 2 hours right? Thus allowing you to trade all items for whatever you want.
Well,
You seem to really care about the items of others instead of just consuming the entertainment of D4
That makes you a jealous person indeed.
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The game was very alive with expansion, that removed the trading.
The decline in players is because that game is very old now. Still I’d bet it’s far more players than in D2:R. The decline in D2:R was much faster when people found out it’s just pure p2w.
Again, read the whole thread.
There will be other incentives for players to meet and do thing together in the game in D4.
Trading is not important.
This weekend should have opened up everyones eyes to why open trading is important. Yes we do not have access to everything yet but when your build is defined by your gear and you want a certain build but cannot play it bc you do not have that gear, so your fun is determined by rng. Full open trading is the only way to allow drop rates to remain low and still allow everyone to play the way they want. Higher drop rates if it remains closed off like it is now.
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