Barbs just need a complete overhaul at this point. You could buff them by 1000-1500% and they still wouldn’t compete. Hoping the Devs do something about the state of Barbs. The melee Class that has to run for it’s life and has no engaging Legendaries or Uniques.
PS - Please give Barbs a unique weapon slot like other Classes. Barbs need Shields and more specifically (Stormshield)
Edit - Please also have basic abilities reset main skills like Iron Skin or Shouts. Merge 3 shouts into 2. Iron Skin should work like Earthen Bulwark. Have paragon boards (like druid) where 3 enemies nearby are bleeding increase damage by 45%x. Other Classes get to play the game with Spammable Instant big CDs while Barbs run around for their life. Barbs don’t get to play the game other Classes are. It’s sad.
Edit 2 - I’d like to see a Legendary where you cast Shout it cast the other 2 Shouts. This way you only need 1 Shout on Bar. I’d also like Iron Skin to cast Shout or casting Shout can cast Iron Skin. We need real synergy and gameplay the other Classes have.
Other Classes do 10-30 times the damage of Barbs and are infinitely more Tanky. If you buffed Barb by 1500% they still wouldn’t compete. There are major scaling and design issues with Barb which is why they do terrible damage and are so squishy compared to the real Classes.
Your comment literally makes zero sense. An Immortal Druid can easily outdamage any barb while being Immortal. Psn Rogues are tankier. Nado druids. Then we have Shred druids casually doing 1.8 billion damage.
They aren’t. They are extremely squishy which is why they do so poorly. Their builds are terrible and suffer severe mitigation problems. That is why they suffer so badly in NM or End game and are the worst Class.
They need to merge the 3 shouts into 2. Then make Iron Skin function like Earthen Bulwark and have perma uptime. Have abilities reset these abilities as well.
It’s kinda the point that a Class can be so significantly behind other Classes.
Wrong using a Shield shouldn’t decrease any damage. You still have both 2h weapons and now a 1h and Shield. The Shield can increase the damage of the 1H while offering, blocking, DR and CD reduction. Barbs have terrible synergy and all their builds fall hilariously short in terms of performance. Which has to be addressed.
Issue is Sorc isn’t good either. They need buffs and Resistances need fixed. Once they fix Resistances though Sorc has builds already. Sorc has NM and Uber Lilith builds.
Again Sorc is in a bad spot currently. Just Barb is the worst. Barbs need immense changes to core design philosophy and buffs. Barbs need significant changes to Legendaries, Paragon boards, skill design and synergy.
Sorc is by far the worst by a long shot. Maybe not for Lillith but even then that kill has someone swapping weapons, and jewelry in the middle of a stagger phase (which no one else has to do). We have 5x worse armor than the 2nd lowest, which is Necro & since resistances aren’t functioning properly we are the weakest in survivability by an absolute mile. It’s night & day if we compare Sorc vs Barb.
Count your blessings. Barbs are quite tanky but share the same bottle neck builds that sorc does.
Again we can debate this back and forth but is it worth it? The debate on who is worst Class isn’t required. I listed why Sorc is bad too. However fundamentally they are in a better spot. Since fixing resist or some tweaks will just improve their builds.
ALL Barb builds are terrible. They are pigeon holed into 3 Shouts, had their Shout CD’s removed from the game. Yet other Classes get Perma uptime on their abilities that are better. Barb has a much weaker version of Iron Skin on a CD than Earthen Bulwark which is spammed every sec for Druid?
Druid accidentally kills Butcher doing 1.8 billion damage they are fine but if Barb does it with Gohr’s it’s gutted into the ground where that item isn’t even good anymore.
See where I’m going.
I rather switch weapons as a Barb and have a much shorter enjoyable Lilith fight then fighting for 4 times as long as a Barb. Please sign me up for that build where I get to switch gear and it’s at least not a long painful slog.
Again other Classes are playing the game. Barbs don’t get to even play.
Except they are super squishy. Barbs HP bounces all over the place and they have to worry about 1 shots. You can’t call barbs Tanky when other Classes are infinitely tankier then Barb. It’s a really wrong label.
We can all agree on that. Were not talking 20% buffs either cause 20% of nothing is still nothing. Barbs need a complete rework and better synergy. You could literally buff Barb by 1000% and they still would be bad.
It’s really weird that Barbs can’t use Shields. I have always played a Shield Barb, Warrior in every game. Heck even playing Sorc I use Shield to fill that Battlemage fantasy.
It’s really bad design currently that only Necro has a shield. One of the most iconic Shields in Diablo is Stormshield. Where is that Shield and why can’t my Barb use one? It’s just bad design.
You could then open up new shield Glyph’s as well for build diversity.
Sorc has Ice Shards & Arc Lash and Honorable Mention Blizzard/Ice Spike (Stagger build everyone loves to throw out when they see the Lillith kill)
All 3 of those builds run 4 defensives and a spender w/ an ult, the same situation Barb is in but worse.
The point I’m making is if you think Barb is in shambles you have no idea considering Barb is relatively middle of the pack for virtually everything in the game.
Here is a good read on behalf of Sorcerers, give it a read and you’ll come to see you don’t have it bad at all. Barbs issues are minor in the grand scheme of things. Sorcerers need to be thrown in the trash and re-built.
I have an idea I painfully played 300 hours of Barb trying to make it work. Never happened. It’s design is terrible from the ground up. They have zero good builds. Hota and WW are both terrible too. There is no Barb build in existence played by ANYONE that is good.
At level 55 my Druid build was better than any Barb build. They have real skill and legendary synergy. They actually scale with content. It’s like playing a different game when you stop playing Barb and play one of the real Classes. You just start laughing in disbelief at what other Classes have available.
They gutted Barb and has nothing going for it. Even if you reversed every Barb nerf they still wouldn’t have good gameplay or be competitive or have the synergy of the real Classes.
Again… trying to prove to me that Sorc is worse than Barb isn’t relevant. It doesn’t please me that Sorc isn’t good either. Just want them to fix the atrocious design issues Barb has. Barbs can’t just be buffed and they are fine.
Not sure about this. Hota absolute dumpsters and WW is relatively efficient. Unless you’re struggling with resource management/vulnerability but that shouldn’t be the case if you have 300 hours of barb.
Its not even funny how bad they are, others can’t even comprehend how bad they are. Not knocking Barbs, but Barbs are in a way better spot and honestly need minimal tweaks.
Sorc needs revamped, Necro needs tweaked for Bone Spear 1 shotting and needs more viable builds, barb needs another viable build and stat tweaks, rogue needs some tweaking but also needs more viable builds outside trap/pen shot and Druid is in a decent spot later on, sluggish later on.
