So I’d like to know what happened to tb rogue? I looked at patch notes but found no mention of any rogue changes. From the launcher > patch notes > reading… I see other classes mentioned then I scrolled down to rogue and it says nothing under neath where they list ROGUE… whats going on
Well it seems to be (title), Just did a NM dungeon at lvl 73 and it felt I was thrown back 20 levels. Almost impossible to do. Thanks to the insane AOE that 1 shotted me everytime with a lot elites and this horrible designed thing that follows you in dungeons.
So either they nerfed rogues so bad (again) or they make everything tougher in NM.
these normal mobs with these defense buffs really feels like tanks. They are tougher then the endboss !!! The endboss I literally nuke in 10 secs. Something is really wrong here.
Seems they are very doing their best to destroy this game already.
They also completely wasted the rogue class in WOW, why not here too ?
Twist blades looks and feels so terrible to use though, you’d have to be a real tryhard sweat to want to use it, or so bad you need the crutch. I’d use basic attack only and go oldschool Diablo before I used twisting blades.
maybe you shouldnt listen to maxroll.gg? most of them streamers doesnt know how to play lol. wudijo posting an „absolute banger“ rogue, showcases it on wt3 or tier 4 nm dungeons
I think it’s accurate. Judging from the videos I’ve seen of other classes. Hota Barb might be B+ instead of A . But Druid is S tier. Necromancer is A tier at least. Necros can do consistent 5-10 million crits on groups of enemies. Druid can walk through a T100 taking zero damage due to fortify and dmg reduction whilst injured and clearing the screen with dmg numbers a rogue will never hit.
For pushing nightmare dungeons yes rogue is technically the weakest. It doesn’t mean we cant do it its just slower then other classes. A rogue cant just face tank and speed farm t100 like a druid or barb can
If you go around youtube and forums, you’ll see non-meta, customized builds destroying NM100 and Uber Lilith.
Tier lists a month into the game are completey stupid. As times goes on, people will sumble on new synergies that can make a current meta build look like trash.
What do you mean by they’re making a list based on their own builds? The builds on the website are submitted by players.
And the tier list is not just to do with synergies but also base class mechanics. The Rogue and the Sorc do not have “Fortify” that is one of the main reasons they’re considered the weakest classes for clearing high tier dungeons. No variation in build is going to change that.
This is why a lot of people cannot be happy playing games. They rather play other people’s games instead of playing their own lol. These websites should be treated as guides and not something you are forced to copy. Play your own way and build your own characters the way you feel that is fun for you.
Huh? Maxroll builds are made by their own staff playing the game, not by random players. Some are meta and overtime some will not be depending on what they like to play.
Then they add to their tier list the builds listed or planned to be listed.
And after that, you randomly come around to start counting how many S/A builds are available to each class (which again is a limited number amongst those displayed on the website by their staff).
Infinimist Necro wasn’t even anywhere on the website until a few days ago and new things are discovered almost every day still.
So, I’ll say it again. Making a tier list of classes before S1 and its inevitable class balances changes are out is pretty much meaningless.
The season will come with leaderboards and we will see the reality for what it really is. Some players are creating and perfecting their own build in their little basement which they will not share before they reach whatever it is they are targeting during S1.
The nerf of twisting blade is too harsh and too early without gathering more mature data.
This class doesn’t have any fortify and good unstoppable skill and The best rogue’s defensive option we have to survive higher NM tier was on that twisting blade cooldown reduction mechanic, blame dev now the class is crippled pushing higher tier.
Pretty much S tier if they don’t nerf TB to the ground.
Are you implying wudijo doesn’t know how to make rogue builds so people shouldn’t listen to him? Isn’t he world first solo100 HC (and did it on a rogue)? Didn’t he almost beat other players to 100 HC playing solo when everyone else utilized full synergized groups?
If your argument is that there are more builds than what wudijo or maxroll have on offer that sounds perfectly reasonable but I don’t think you need to imply that his builds are sus when it seems pretty clear they were more than effective in practice and he has the receipts to prove it.
maxroll is in a weird place rn
some builds are spot on and have extremely minor adjustments to make
others are a bit off base and should only be used as a springboard to generate some ideas
im sure it’ll taper off and become more reliable as time goes on, but atm, guides (as a whole, not just maxroll) should be scrutinized just as much as your buddy saying ‘check out my sick build broo’ just so you’re not caught with your pants down or feelin some kinda way