You want Exploits to Win? WSG Exploit

Diablo II: Resurrected General Discussion
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lol

I hate PvP, so I think it’s hilarious!

Still, I gotta say, if it’s in the original, it should be kept in. I can see how devastating it will be for serious players.

RESPECT (and, not, ‘respec,’ lol)!

ADENDUM: On second though, maybe fixing it is a good thing, actually…

I play Bowazon almost exclusively. I know, that if I die, nine times out of ten, it’s because I didn’t have enough hit recovery. Good gear will solve that, almost always.

Since, I’m not a PvP player, WSG doesn’t mean much to me. PvE, on the other hand, I take very seriously, and I can see the other side of the argument:

‘Why should I even bother with good gear, if I can glitch my way out of every dangerous encounter?’

‘Doesn’t WSG break the game?’

So, now, I’m on the fence. It’s in the original game, and shouldn’t be changed—but it was broken. Shouldn’t it be fixed?

Perhaps, we need a referee.

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It is quite funny how people are keep complaining about WSG in multiple topics, because it is a “bug”. Not a single complain about Andy bug though.

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Its not, just like its not great to abuse glitch. Nerf stuns…

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wrong. They patched it out arround 2018 and brought it right back after its absence had ruined pvp.

100% intended to keep it in the game and has heavily influenced pvp over 20 years of the game. thankfully they are bringing it back.

cheers

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and the fact that you “dont know why people are screaming now to keep it left in” is exactly the reason why you shouldnt have a relevant say in wether it should stay or not, no offence. you are honest about not understanding it, you are probably not even affected by it in your style of playing the game yet its important to you to ruin it for the others.

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You didnt even know what WSG was a month ago

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where did you hear that ? proof?

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  1. You don’t exploit something into being a bug. Look up the definitions of the terms bug & glitch. WSG was never a bug or a glitch, it was a game mechanic that offered an unintentional mechanic that players began using, which you could say was an exploit but not a bug or a glitch. However, it ended up bringing a greater balance to the game in pvp. In a short patch during D2 LOD original, they tried removing WSG but after seeing how bad it messed up the game’s pvp, the design team made a conscious decision to put it back into the game with the intention of it being used. When this happened, WSG became an intended legitimate game feature.
  2. You say “let’s get back to the roots of D2” but the roots of D2 are things like WSG and Ebug. WSG has existed since weapon swapping has existed. These are the roots. Diablo 2 has been balanced for the past 20 years around these roots. Trying to rebalance the game around the removal of such mechanics is a risky move indeed, that will likely not result in the kind of greater design that you are imagining, for several reasons.
  3. Why does it matter if WSG is there or not if you never used it? It never bothered you before so why does it bother you now? Does it effect your Mephisto runs? No it doesn’t. So why care? I know there is a strong principle in your mind that “bugs & glitches should be removed period no discussion” but this is all moral, with absolutely no regard for the actual cause & effect of what this will do the game’s pvp scene.

If you can’t provide a real discussion with in-game mechanical examples & scenarios to compare how removing WSG is somehow better for the game mechanically, beyond just a moral & principle approach, why even take such a stark stance when you don’t understand what’s going on with the mechanics?

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I don’t see how it’s balanced.

Example: Druid blasts Paladin with Arctic Blast. Paladin has two choices.
1.)Attack with Zeal, killing Druid.
2.)Try to run away, without using a Ice/Cold resist aura, and die.

See? There’s always two sides to every argument. If the Paladin, who’s overpowered to begin with, simply can’t hit the Druid and kill him, he’s not ready for the Big Time show.

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That’s because you don’t pvp, which is quite clear from this following example that you gave:

First of all, no one uses Arctic Blast.
Second of all, even if they did they won’t kill anyone with it.
If you could see anything at all in terms of the pvp dynamic that people are discussing here with WSG you would have used some kind of casual example that applied to it realistically, that happens all of the time in games, such as: When a chain of Bone Spirits arcs in at sort of a crescent so that they are all very close to each other, and when the first 1 hits, you get stun locked and can’t move until they all are finished hitting. ← Now that is an ideal example of where you die if you don’t have WSG. Anyone who actually frequented pvp in D2 would know exactly what I’m referencing here, as it is something that happens somewhat often during casual play.

Except your argument had nothing to do with anything WSG related. Also, Paladins are tier 3 in the food chain, along with Sorc. Zons & Barbs are tier 2, and Dru / Nec / Sin are tier 1. Paladin is not overpowered, neither in Zeal, Charger, Smite, Hammerdin, FoH form, doesn’t matter. He gets downplayed by tier 2 & tier 1 in almost every situation.

Oh and also, they made it so old uninterruptable attacks are now able to be interrupted, so you will need WSG to get out of a high damage multi-tick attack like Arctic Blast if it is locking you up now. No way to kill a class using something like that against you if you can’t break the stun on demand to reposition to try and stun him first on a reproach.

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  1. Weapon Swap Glitch = Abbreviated for WSG
    So by definition & implied in the name it’s a GLITCH
  1. Who says you? This wasn’t intended to be apart of the game the Game went into maintenance mode and they stopped patching things.
    And if it was WHY then is it Blizzard Killed Ebug and WSG Probably atk speed bug.
    your argument is flawed.
  2. Why does it matter to me, BECAUSE YOU or Others are using this To Get and Edge and Advantage over Other Players Many of Which will be New. It ruins thee Experience for new players And asking to Keep an Exploit in the game for Personal gain Shows how you like to win, “Cheating” thee issues NOT WSG they need fix the FHR animation or add in some diminishing return on repetitive stuns. . .
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Except, you didn’t watch the video here. It clearly shows a Paladin trying to run from a Druid casting Arctic Blast.

:stuck_out_tongue:

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lets flip it, lets exploit that WSG does not exist anymore and we can perma stun lock people so long that even explosion potions can kill them

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Except that they had somewhat recently attempted to remove it from D2 LOD original, when they did this, they immediately realized how detrimental it was to pvp and quickly re-added it to the game to fix the problems caused from removing it. When this happened, WSG was legitimized as an intended game feature, so you can get out of here with that active apathy.

It’s not an advantage over someone when anyone can do it bro. This isn’t a complex, you push weapon swap. Try it out.

In all seriousness, it is YOUR fault if 20 years in you do not know what a WSG is. I mean how in the actual jank can you not know what a WSG is, and come into this forum and claim that you know Diablo 2 well enough to create arguments?

Yeah that’s a field test dude. That would never happen in actual pvp unless someone was memeing because they liked getting 100-0’d.

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You must be trolling.

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Why is this guy making a thread complaining about something he doesn’t know anything about? I mean, clearly, from the topic and his posts, he has no idea. Interesting.

Posting emotional nonsense about something he does not understand, nor does affect him. hmm. :crazy_face:

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I think WoW developers are behind this LOL.

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OP has zero clue what he’s talking about.

Hope he gets pk’d every single public game.

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WSG was taken out of the game. But then it was put back. This makes it “not a glitch” and instead, an actual mechanic of the game. Mechanics of the game should remain in the game, of course.

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I know Weapon swap glitch goofy,
as the name implies it’s a Glitch yall are just being some haters advocating to keep the game with bugs and glitches, instead of having it be user friendly to new players that shouldn’t have to learn stupid mechanics like this.
the game needs to have the hit animation be canceled there’s a better overall fix then Just keeping WSG.
STOP CRYING