People are focused on how strong barb is. But they are missing the point of where people want balance in barb builds. People want ww to be a viable build outside of the paragon grind. The classic ww dd build to perform like it should. Kick the furnace out of the cube. Even tho some already did with the last season gear.
Don’t strip one build to make another one more viable. That’s the issue.
Hey man, just ignore him like the rest of us. All he does is sit on the forums and try to stir the pot wherever he goes. He’s trolling under the guise of twisted data.
Couldn’t agree more. Until that happens, don’t even respond to him because he’ll argue until blue in the face.
No one ever has problems with forum goers or players who ask for balance by bringing all classes to the same level. It’s when you start asking for nerfs is when it becomes an issue.
If you are really interested in the arguments that barbs are making you need to know where they are coming from. Build a barb push it into the 115 range on a couple builds and compare that to other top classes at 115. I guarantee you would have a better understanding of why Barbs felt it necessary to create a buff proposal and advocate for buffs.
Hint: It’s not even close
Burt I know this because I play the game and push builds. I don’t just play Barbarian and I’m familiar with most of the other classes (Monk is dead to me). The power disparity is obvious going from leveling, early game, speeds, and pushing. Barb is currently behind almost every class in all of those categories. But you would know that if you played the game. It’s obvious…
How can you partake in a discussion about balance and power level of sets if you don’t actually play them?
I’d never get into a discussion about monk balance and the buffs they need to be competitive…cause I don’t play monk and have never pushed any monk builds. I would have absolutely nothing to offer.
Welp, he did a 140 now. Probably within a few tries too and not 100+ keys. Inc nerf bat 
The ‘but but he’s 10k paragon’ won’t save this one either as a 1.2k paragon in seasons did a 131 which is absolutely bonkers.
Really really hope they don’t go Crusader like nerf overboard with it though, just make lamentation 75-100% x2 stack and things should be okay.
It’s just time for Micro RNA to start padding his forum stats again to keep his TL3 status.
Don’t feed the troll guys.
Notice from his own posts he stopped posting immediately after getting TL3 at the end of August?
He’s going to do this every other month. Kid is obsessed with TL3 for some reason.
Jako,
My motive is to inform and to present my thought process. I find the tables informative as it consolidates Blizzard’s data from multiple pages (in game and/or on the website). If it makes me earn the nickname table guy so be it. The Blizzard developers certainly will consider the PTR leaderboards plus other information in making decision about the extent of buff/nerfs.
It is simple as that and has nothing to do with TL3.
FYI:
If I never made another post, it would not make any difference whatsoever to my TL3 status. Since I am TL3 already, the only thing I need to do is visit the forum 50 days, read 500 forum threads, and some unclear number of posts (between 7,000-20,000) over 100 day rolling average. Of course, I need to not be banned or otherwise run afoul of the forum rules.
Its clear now guys, table guy doing the table work just to make barb got nerfed 
The table guy is a troll.
Glad more people are aware of Micro. He is well known in the barb forum. Best thing to do is not respond.
As always, flag as many times as possible.
I am 99% sure that you didn’t participate PTR season.
That’s seasonal buff which truely op. Please don’t use season data claim barb is op.
The 140 clear is NS.
Even if it’s a 10k paragon he did it without the seasonal buff. This build is retarded, the amount of multipliers rend has is absurd. Also the build has no weakness, it’s very easy to play, super tanky, does great in aoe and single target, it’s good at creating density, has phenomenal recovery, I can’t find anything bad about it.
It’s not super tanky, it’s not super bursty. I like it, it just needs to be brought down a tad.
My suggestion is that Lamentation goes to 100% instead of 200%.
That honestly should do it, the top clear would be 135 NS which is fine considering the paragon.
Also players shouldn’t be testing power levels with the seasons buffs, Angels are retarded right now and just one shot RG’s.
Pick up a single sample and do a statistic analysis?
BTW, have u checked his video? And do u know he is the top player?
Do you have enough unbiased data gathered from wiz performance?
So you didn’t see Nec and Wiz did 145 NS? Nec Thorn is even possible to hit 150.
And how long they played these builds?
It looks like u don’t want barb do 140? You don’t want barb did some serious dmg?
Not me, I think the barb power is great! But with such little playtime and seeing it already they just won’t allow it. It’s the same thing that happened with Crusader last PTR.
Necro and Wiz just got nerfed, and I wouldn’t be surprised if Starpact ends up getting a nerf because now that’s the only outlier left.
I see Micro’s alts are liking his posts again.
Why isnt everyone simply ignoring this clown? All he does is troll and he will never change. Just ignore him, dont look at his posts, dont respond to anything he says.
Looks like WW is balanced to me; thousands of paragon ahead of the wiz that cleared 137. Should have added clear times for effect; if it was OP there would be a 5+ minute time difference in favor of Barb for the same gr level.
It may take time for Wiz players to adjust playstyle around the nerf, but don’t kid yourself that class will be clearing higher than 140 next season as well.
The top barb solo clear on the PTR is 140 as of yesterday
EDIT: I am not sure how informative the PTR is for wizards to assess their nerf. The leaderboards were not cleared. The highest PTR clear that made the leaderboard from this PTR is 131.
That is why I compare PTR era barbs to current live era wizards with the assumption that wizards should drop due to the nerf.
As I said before, I do not know where things will shake out between wizards and barbs assuming that the barb buff goes live as is and the wizard nerf as is on live.