WSG - didn't think it would come to this

Diablo II: Resurrected General Discussion
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I don’t like to complain about stupid stuff.

Vast majority of refund reasons presented here are just voices of people who have some absurd expectations towards the game (personal loot? no ladder at start? non-ladder having access to ladder runewords?).

I would never refund the game based on any of these changes - ye, personal loot would be pretty bad, it’s a little bit of a shame that we won’t get ladder from the start, but all these things are superficial and won’t really make or break the game… unlike the lack of WSG.

It is pretty much the only thing that would make me refund if it’s not brought back by release - I do not want to refund, I enjoyed this game since its release, I admire and respect what Vicarious Visions did for the game and I couldn’t be happier. With that in mind, unless it’s officially sorted I will have to refund, because without WSG, the endgame important for me - pvp - will be changed way too much.

A small analysis (there may be many more things to add, mind you):

List of skills causing “swirlies”, which, if active, cause ANY damage, no matter how small, to make the victim go into recovery animation. Let me know if I forgot any:

  • Smite
  • Mind Blast
  • Twister
  • Shockwave
  • Warcry
  • Stun
  • Honorable mention - Barb’s leap - it straight up causes enemies in a very, very large radius to go into recovery animation, without causing the “swirlies” effect.

With WSG, you can fight back. I understand that it takes more in-depth knowledge than what meets the eye, but so any other e-sports game, or even real life sports, involve “experts” knowing much more about the discipline/game than a casual person. That’s life. For those who enjoy Diablo 2’s pvp immensely, it is very important for WSG to work as it did in the original Diablo 2 - for the sake of balance and being able to use all 7 classes without having to ban any.

In a world without WSG, this delicate balance breaks and new rules would have to be made - likely banning most / all of the skills listed. Why is it bad? It would render some classes useless/very boring to play (e.g. trapsin without mind blast is just a camper running around, hoping that the traps hit anything, take away Barb’s ability to leap to stun the opponent and try to tele-jump the enemy within the short window of enemy’s recovery animation).

Please don’t make a new “team vs team” meta 2 leaping Barbs on any matchup that’s 3v3 or 4v4 by leaving WSG fixed - it is a crucial part of PVP to the point that it will no longer be Diablo 2 PVP without it. What is more, it would cause refunds from the PVP crowd.

Bring WSG back, please.

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Slightly overstated, but signed regardless.

Please bring back WSG.

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Or actualy fix stuns :slight_smile:

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Man, all that bug-users now crying about a fixed bug. One of the best ideas blizzard have now, directly after ladder items for non ladder and not real 21:9 support, but 19:9 support.

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Very well stated op, I agree 100%

Wsg is vital for the true d2 pvp experience

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How about actually doing this the right way and fixing stuns in pvp so we don’t need to use obscure hidden glitch mechanics? This remake is a chance to actually do things right, and not have a game that’s held together by glitches.

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then simply not say it man.
your post is so nicely written and all and it shows how much you care about it.
but just that tiny part…the refund part , in my opinion giving the “refund threat” thing always devaluate a post , but that’s my opinion.

Advocate with all your soul against a change (or for a change) : in this case , making it into an actual feature.
but don’t go the “or i’ll refund” route :confused:
it doesn’t increase the weight of any argument , on the contrary , it devaluates it sometimes.
It’s best to actually advocate for something you want than to do any threat.

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I did not wish to make it sound like a refund threat and I wholeheartedly agree that it may devaluate an opinion. With that in mind, it is a part of the message - but in a sense that I feel ashamed of it, and I would really like to avoid it.

The main focus is indeed the request to bring WSG back and providing reasons why it is better to have it in game than not.

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indeed , those are usually the best kind of topic.

I see quiet a lot of topics like that theses days, so who knows it might happen , especially if they are as well-written as yours :stuck_out_tongue:

would be nice if there would be some active community manager here
there’s one on reddit , but here , they only announce things and read stuff without giving answers or their view on matters :confused:

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The whole problem with “fix stun” vs “bring WSG back” is the amount of changes that’ll be needed to “fix stun”. First you need to know which skills and which actions to fix/nerf. And by how much. And test it. See how stuff interacts. How will it play in PVM. And not to fix/nerf too much as then another majority will refund. You start making fixes to stuns, and then you may need to fix elsewhere. Assuming you dont break when fixing too. All that needs developers work, on a game that works well today, and is balanced. They key point is that we love ADDING stuff (goodies) to the remaster. Not REMOVING what was once and for all a set of key mechanics in this game.

Folks, do you remember how you were learning PVP?
First people were just fighting with main weapon and skilla, even bowas
Then, the idea of switch weapon for shield and blocking came (also for bowas)
Then, walking not running (I use F for this, so it was walk-F-run-F-shoot-F-walk etc.)
Then GA trick or CT (open char window or similar to have your char moved left or right for better guided arrow tracking distance aka “click farther”)
Etc.
All this you can call glithes! Amazon with shield on switch? How come, imagine in real life, etc. Real life…

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Balancing different skills and classes in one game is never ending.

I bring WoW as an example.
X skill / talent is nerfed because it is very OP in the PvP environment.
But that change results in that class or spec being no longer useful in M ​​+ or Raid.

There is no way to make everyone happy.

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100% agree please bring back weapon swap glitch

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