Would you like some version of Cain back in D4?

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@MissCheetah-1661

Not a death from what seems like a minor character (to me who is not deep into the lore).

This showed that this minor character has enough brain cells to do what a major character/antagonist should have done long ago.

@Beefhammer-1932

Look at Hitchcock’s Psycho. Janet Leigh, a big name, was cast in Psycho. People flocked to see her. She died unexpectedly in the first scene. No one expected it. It was out of the blue. Cain died in a similar manner. No one was expecting it. It came out of the blue. It upped the stakes of what we needed to do.

Well said.

Also, not every character needs a Hollywood-ish epic death, especially when Cain is not a fighter. His fate is pretty much limited to either getting killed or dying on his bed due to his age. Pick one.

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@Kilometer-11340

Also, not every character needs a Hollywood-ish epic death

Tbf, Cain’s current death sounds similar to that though. After all, he resisted Maghda’s torture and with the last of his strength repaired Tyrael’s sword, which was instrumental in restoring Tyrael’s life and thus setting the heroes on their task to Caldeum.

Anyway, my preference of Cain dying in act 3 instead of act 1 wasn’t made because I thought it would’ve been a better death for Cain or anything. Only that I believe it would’ve fit along with Diablo’s method of breaking his hosts spirits before and/or while he fully possesses them. Nothing more and Nothing less than that.

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@Oblivion-1520

Tbf, Cain’s current death sounds similar to that though. After all, he resisted Maghda’s torture and with the last of his strength repaired Tyrael’s sword, which was instrumental in restoring Tyrael’s life and thus setting the heroes on their task to Caldeum.

Oh ok. For me, when I said Hollywood epic death, I was thinking something like dying Cain solo Maghda and forcing dying Maghda to run away and then at the same time deleting 300+ cultists while the player and Leah screaming " UNCLE! CAIN!" from the sideline or something like that…

300: Final Fight Sequence (Death of Leonidas)

@Oblivion-1520

Only that I believe it would’ve fit along with Diablo’s method of breaking his hosts spirits before and/or while he fully possesses them. Nothing more and Nothing less than that.

Diablo in Diablo 3 is doing fine taking over Leah’s body without having her kill her guardian though. Zero resistance from Leah when we fought Leah-Diablo in Act 4.

[Oblivion-1520]

I’m merely basing it off of Shen’s comment of Leah’s spirit being strong enough that it possibly survived Diablo’s possession. That said, it’s not like we actually have to see Diablo struggle due to Leah in-game, as we didn’t see that either in Diablo 2, yet Cain believed that Aidan fought against Diablo internally while Diablo fought against the D2 heroes.

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@Oblivion-1520

I’m merely basing it off of Shen’s comment of Leah’s spirit being strong enough that it possibly survived Diablo’s possession. That said, it’s not like we actually have to see Diablo struggle due to Leah in-game, as we didn’t see that either in Diablo 2, yet Cain believed that Aidan fought against Diablo internally while Diablo fought against the D2 heroes.

Well, I certainly don’t get the impression that Diablo is struggling with Aiden as D2 Diablo is pretty much enjoying fighting D2 heroes with his full strength. Again, zero sign of D2 Diablo was holding back against D2 heroes due to Aiden either.

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@Kilometer-11340

Well, I certainly don’t get the impression that Diablo is struggling with Aiden as D2

Nor did I:

@Oblivion-1520

as we didn’t see that either in Diablo 2

As I said, that’s something Cain had stated. And if it’s true then it’s simply something that held no bearing in terms of gameplay.

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@Oblivion-1520

As I said, that’s something Cain had stated. And if it’s true then it’s simply something that held no bearing in terms of gameplay.

I feel that the NPCs in Diablo should stop underestimating Diablo’s ability to take over his host because so far, Diablo was doing an excellent job of keeping his host in a tab once he got grip on them.

[Oblivion-1520]

I couldn’t agree any more with that if I wanted to. And even if Diablo didn’t/couldn’t fully possess someone, the person in question would be left in a terrible state (Leoric for example).

[LordKaffa-2520]

no. i think it was one of the cheesiest characters in the original. no personality whatsoever. not that this kind of game has any personality of the plot characters. but the sean connery voice over, yeah, we’ve heard it in so many other games.

also-he died.

my guess, THEY think he’s awesome, and they’ll put him as a villain.
much like griswold, which i still like.

[Firyadan-2852]

@Oblivion-1520

Truth be told, Cain already took a backseat in the guiding figure position. With the exception of leoric’s crown, Cain didn’t offer much guidance in regards to our activities in act 1. That was done by both Leah and Tyrael (while he lacked his memories).

True but you still need to give Cain a role of some sort, or he’d start getting uninteresting.
I’d rather change Tyrael’s role, still missing some of his knowledge after he recovered his sword and trying to figure that out.

@Oblivion-1520

According to Adria, Cain had indeed suspected Leah’s father to be Diablo.

IF Adria was speaking the truth :

• Cain still didn’t do anything about it.
• This is story convolution : it’s up to the writers to tell otherwise if it better fits the narrative.

[Tolfdir-11539]

After killing Cain, Blizzard will put a new NPC in his place, somebody who “better represents the modern audience.”|

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@Tolfdir-11539

After killing Cain, Blizzard will put a new NPC in his place, somebody who “better represents the modern audience.”|

and the name will be Kaine.

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@Firyadan-2852

True but you still need to give Cain a role of some sort, or he’d start getting uninteresting.

No need for that imo, at least nothing beyond letting Cain act as a historian, as he already did (for example he could tell players about bastion keeps, as well as the barbarians).

@Firyadan-2852

Cain still didn’t do anything about it.

Truth be told, there wasn’t much that Cain could do.

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@Tolfdir-11539

“better represents the modern audience.”|

That might have disaster written all over it.

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@Oblivion-1520

That said, it’s not like we actually have to see Diablo struggle due to Leah in-game, as we didn’t see that either in Diablo 2

Isn’t that pretty much all we see in D2, in every cutscene for act1-3 Aidan and Diablo seem to be struggling for control, until Diablo takes over.

[Oblivion-1520]

Talking about the actual boss fight with Diablo in Diablo 2. Cain had stated that he believed that Aidan fought against Diablo during the fight.

[Apache222-1831]

SOMEONE REZ CAIN! THANKS. It’s not that hard. Just click on him. Duh.

[naksiloth-1354]

What about Zoltun Kulle’s spirit corrupting Lorath Nahr to make Horadrim even more stronger?

[DeadlyMouse-1231549]

They could bring back his body but have it occupied by something else entirely.

[Oblivion-1520]

Probably not, Lorath had shown himself to possess incredly strong will.