Why we need to remove Transmogrification from this game?

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Why we need to remove Transmogrification and paint from this game?

What for?

To do the opposite: get in a complete dungeon a recipe for creating a set of white parts, the appearance of which does not change.

The parameters of the set, of course, are random (and the probability of getting ancient or red parts in the set depends on the level of the paragon).

If the set was done twice and different parts turned out to be red, but from different white “blanks” (with different appearance), then Okay is still spare parts from one set; but only you will walk, repainted like a parrot. For this, paint is removed, and not just transmogs.

After that, you can rework the complete dungeons, making them full-fledged game quests - and you get new content.

And so that players do not have inequality due to the fact that everyone who played before already has all the sets, sell everyone a new addon :wink: and raise the maximum base level of the hero from 70 to 80 lvl :cold_face:

Likewise for simple legendaries. The game is full of all sorts of minor holes in locations (entrances to someone’s houses, etc.). IMHO, there could fall recipes for creating legendary things from the corresponding whites. Moreover, in each specific house - a specific recipe, and not “anywhere, whatever.” This will solve the long-standing problem of “how to farm something you want, not get tons of everything but what you need.”

With this approach, the appearance of legendary items can also be chosen at the stage of creation from white items, and small holes can be processed into more complex quests (the complexity of which depends on the value of the item received), adding content to the game.

So content will last for another 10 years :hamburger:

Source: Убрать из игры трансмогрификацию - Общие темы - Diablo 3 Forums

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No.

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I have no idea what you are saying, it sounds like complete gibberish to me.

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I am not a native English speaker.
I learned the language on my own from a freaking pocket dictionary, from playing video games, watching movies, eventually talking to people, writing on forums and so on.
I allow myself to post on the US forums, because I can write somewhat coherently.

What the actual ____ is this ____ ?!

What was even the original language? Your name is Deckard Cain spelled in Cyrillic alphabet, and yet the structure seems so weird…

Jesus Christ…
Before you bother to give suggestions, learn to write at least somewhat coherently.

And no, Blizzard are not going to remove xmog 8 years after the game came out, in order “to do the opposite”.
(to throw money out the window sounds more like it)

And if they are to dedicate resources on reworking systems, Paragon should be the prime candidate, rather than xmog.

Mods, please, delete google translated stuff, it hurts my soul.

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The translator I ran it through read: (paraphrased) “I’m salty that I don’t have all the transmogs that more experienced players have”

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How is that even possible?? You can get pretty much every non-event-exclusive transmog if you run each class for 2-4- days.

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So is this…

Плохая идея - это плохо.

That’s what Google translated “Bad idea is bad” into.

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The only legit argument for not having a t-mog system in an RPG is if it has Valid and active PVP. seeing what an enemy is wearing so you can make an on the spot strategy to deal with them is the only reason to not have t-mog. Outside of PVP combat there would never be a reason to rid of T-mog.

EVEN SO: you should always assume a player is BIS when doing pvp. It doesn’t matter what t-mog they are using if you assume they are PVP gods.

This issue isn’t even noticeable in WoW’s pvp anymore. Whatever bracket you’re in is the gear you should expect to see. Outside of Twinking shenanigan’s. But twinks are in their own bracket so that doesn’t matter either. HP is the indicator for ilvl now-a-days.

In D3 HP doesn’t translate to ilvl but in D3 there is no PVP so who cares.
sorry there is pvp, it’s in the form on standing in the corner of the brawler’s arena and spamming an aoe.

T-mog is player choice and player identity.

TLDR: No

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While I agree with you about how this is the original intention, I just don’t understand…

How? Beside pay-to-have xmog, everything else is there for u to take each season. In fact, if there is more xmog from playing, I’d play D3 more than now, way more!

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What’s your primary language? How many languages did you speak prior to English? I ask that question because I know people that speak it as a 3rd or 4th language and they do a better job than a lot of people that only speak English. You learning English like that is really ____________ cool in my book.

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I am from Bulgaria, Eastern Europe. I speak Bulgarian first, then I learned English on my own.

The teachers in school were terribad. No, it’s not a made up excuse. Other kids also didn’t learn much in school, they learned the language from watching cable TV, things like Cartoon Network. We’re talking like back in the 90s.

I think the original language in the post is Russian… now, I don’t know Russian myself, but it’s another Slavic language, so I can recognize some words. Some of the words are literally the same, others are totally different.
Same goes for other languages like Serbian, Romanian… some of the things I can understand with ease, others – not at all…

My comment was more meant along the lines of… what kind of structure does Russian langue have, so it produces so weird results like:

“Why we need to remove Transmogrification and paint from this game? What for? To do the opposite”

Let me put it like this. English is more simple language than others. No, I don’t say it in a judgemental way or something along those lines, rather in the literal sense of the word. If you were to speak to a linguist, I’m 100% certain he’ll tell you the same thing.

I personally love both English and Bulgarian, both allow for plenty of puns and idioms. When talking to fellow games, we speak this weird mixture of both languages, because some game terms sound unnatural and silly when translated.
When writing on messengers, we can literally write Bulgarian in Cyrilics and in Latin alphabet, and understand each other without a problem.

I think the issue with Russians is not, that they are stupid or something like that, so that they can’t learn English… rather, they simply don’t want to.

Quite frankly I’m not sure how one can play a video game properly without knowing English. I personally wouldn’t trust translated tooltips, I would always wanna see the original.

Point being, if you don’t wanna bother to learn English, why bother to give suggestions on how the game can be improved?

Thanks!

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I’ve always heard that English, well American Standardized English, was very hard to learn because it’s a mish/mash of English/French/Spanish/German. Old English (England) back in the day was a made up language by the slaves (yes believe it or not people, white were slaves… by other whites) so that the Romans wouldn’t be able to understand them. Of course it becomes the ‘major’ language of the people (once free, bla bla bla) and ironically, it’s similar enough to Scandinavian that the early Vikings were able to somewhat communicate with them as they were conquering them and doing all sorts of other things. Then of course it coming over here and becoming the mutt language that it is today. I guess (ASE) could have some Scandinavian in it as well, further making it that melting pot language. How appropriate since USA is a melting pot country.

Very interesting to hear that you found it so easy to learn, yet others said the direct opposite. Maybe that’s why a lot of them are able to speak it so well, they had no choice due to its complexity. Honestly I think us Americans did it on purpose to differentiate us from our Old and Current English counterparts. That’s just my opinion though, I have no facts to back that up.

To me, since I don’t know the difference between Bulgarian, Serbian, Romanian, etc., I would just assume it’s Russian. I took the ‘paint’ part as the colorization of items, part of transmogging your gear. I didn’t really think of it as an odd translation. Also, I think it really is called ‘paint’ in the game, so it would actually make sense. I really don’t pay much attention, honestly, I just choose the color I want my armor pieces to be. I wish they had color glows for weapons since I really don’t like the default ones.

From what you said about the Russians is really no different than a lot of Americans, myself included. I really do not see nor do I want to speak, write, or read in another language. However, I am not against others that do, I say more power to them, especially if they really love it, as you said.

Yeah, for the most part, there will generally be a ‘loss’ in translation. I remember doing an exercise in school with Spanish. Write a paragraph in English, then translate it into Spanish, then translate that into English. Now compare the two English paragraphs and notice the difference. I have a few foreign movies. Brotherhood of the Wolf (French), Pans Labyrinth (Spanish, GDT FTW), Nightwatch and Daywatch (one titled in Latin alphabet the other in Russian), and I had The Horde (French zombie movie, so good) for a while, but lost it. I also had a few H.P. Lovecraft movies in Spanish as well, lost them too. Anyway, I would rather read the subtitles (or after seeing the movie a few times, have them turned off) than listen to it dubbed in English.

A lot of video games are translated, even if poorly, from English to another language, so I can see many people, playing video games w/out knowing English. Heck, how many are made by and for Asians? Of course when an English speaker sees/plays the games wants them to be brought over here, that’s another monster altogether. Wouldn’t have Final Fantasy and Street Fighter, if that didn’t happen. Both fun games, well earlier versions. I don’t know now, I don’t play them. D3 and occasionally Grim Dawn are my go to games now.

Yeah, I agree. Why bother indeed? That can be said in many different situations. However, in our current political climate in America stating that is considered very racist and intolerant, even thought it is absolutely correct. Thank you for pointing that out, even if it’s just for a video game.

Your welcome. Even though I choose not to learn other languages, I do applaud those that want to and actually do, especially if they love doing it. That’s what a lot people don’t understand. You can love your native language and others as well. You don’t learn one to forget, or even hate, the other. That mode of thinking never made any sense to me.

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I do believe it, like I said, I am from Eastern Europe.
If we’re talking history, the Balkan peninsula was subjigated by the Ottoman empire, my country specifically for like 500 years…
But I get what you’re saying, a lot of westerners have some… let’s say… interesting notions of history :stuck_out_tongue:

I guess it’s relative… but again, if we really go by what’s technically easier or harder, something like Bulgarian or like Russian would end up more complex… or something like Chinese.

You know the fake Russian accent in movies? That’s usually how a dumb bulgarian would try to speak English…

The difference is, that English, for better or for worse has become a universal language. You don’t need a 2nd language.
I doubt Russians can say the same.

And while I don’t mind Russians, in fact they seem pretty cool, I’m a bit sick and tired of reading сука, блят in-game and those being the only things they tend to say… which are swears :stuck_out_tongue:

I’ve only seen Pans Labyrinth out of the above mentioned movies… and I watch a lot of movies, so I’m gonna fill the gap sooner or later.
ATM I’m listening to the Song of Ice and fire as audio books, to try and figure out how and why Dumb & Dumber managed to destroy the TV show :stuck_out_tongue:

There are several things I could say, but Diablo forums are not really the place.
I’d advise – take politics out of the equations as much as possible, focus on more simple ideals… say… truth (this is self explanatory) and justice (although the justice part is tricky, so I would advise stick to more individual rather than social, specifics over generalizations) :stuck_out_tongue:

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Thanks :slight_smile: Games >>>> politics. Especially this year!

Your English is really quite good even when you chat in real time. It is obvious you are fairly fluent.

I really appreciate the multi lingual folks who post here because they are often able to help out when we get folks on Tech Support or Bug Report who don’t speak English. Google translate only goes so far.

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After certain events last winter, I learned my lesson :stuck_out_tongue:

But since we’re talking languages, here’s another interesting tidbit.
Bulgarian is… how should I say… more vulgar language… most likely the word “vulgar” originates from someone trying to describe a Bulgarian. It’s a language, that turns it up to 11. Let me give you the simplest example:

From what I can tell, the most common vulgar insult in English s F… y…!
The equivalent in Bulgarian is… F… y… mom!

So one of the challenges of being multi lingual with Bulgarian first is to dial down the rhetoric a bit, or I end up riling people up accidentally.

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You would probably be just fine in Australia. Their version of English has the profanity and insults dialed up quite a bit! At least in the non-formal groups among friends.

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Well, if next year somehow ends up worse than this one, I can always learn learn a bit of French, install twitter and when my vulgar powers combine I can summon Captain WW3
:stuck_out_tongue:

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I enjoy this thread much more than these ones:

  1. Seasons Suck
  2. Why High Paragon Necessary to be in meta?
  3. RNG sucks!
  4. Why Blizzard so greedy? Necro xPac cost too pricey!

We can all add other posts we hate to see, but this post is interesting.

My first take:
OP is trying to ‘mod’ the maps and gear transmog to make the game more interesting.

No doubt I’m so way off from his intent.
Forgive me OP.
Have a nice day m8!

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Old English (England) back in the day was a made up language by the slaves (yes believe it or not people, white were slaves… by other whites) so that the Romans wouldn’t be able to understand them. Of course it becomes the ‘major’ language of the people (once free, bla bla bla) and ironically, it’s similar enough to Scandinavian that the early Vikings were able to somewhat communicate with them as they were conquering them and doing all sorts of other things

this is not true. there was no ‘english’ language until hundreds of years after the romans left. they were not ‘slaves’.
scandinavian languages are generally considered northern germanic, and the old english you are refering to was originally brought over by germanic tribes. it is no coincidence, and there for has no irony that they could some what learn each others language to a degree

i wont bore you with why americans sound different, lets just say language evolves over time. in the uk we dont sound like we did 250 years ago either

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I would love to get into this, blast you into orbit, but I will get squelched. I must obey the forum rules and regulations. ElobaCarcen said it perfectly. A lot of westerners have some… let’s say… interesting notions of history. I have to say, I agree. I’ll end it there.

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