Why is Rathma helping Lilith and is Lilith going to be Kerrigan 3.0?

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To give you a short explanation, GoT was a very popular tv show.

There have been some minor problems here and there with the story throughout the seasons, but nothing major to piss most people in the fandom.
However, season 7 was filled with nonsensical and impossible situations. Same goes for season 8.
In season 8 (the final season), the showmakers destroyed pretty much every character in the show (by making them say things they woulld never say, do things they would never do, turn proactive characters into passive statues and so on… in other words, make them totally inconsistent), and on top of that there were plenty of nonsensical and illogical situations.
It was terrible not only, because it ruins any and all immersion, and no amount of suspension of disbelief could have fixed how terrible everything was. One would have to suspend his entire brain…

One of the most ridiculous things was, that after the episodes there would be a small segment, in which the showmakers would discuss the events of each episode and try to pull off some mental gymnastics in an attempt to explain how things “make sense” even though they didn’t.
In the particular episode from where the scene with the tribe that died had a trrible lighting and for the most part I couldn’t see anything. At least the showmakers clarified what happened (and later blamed people for having bad monitors or something, which was pathetic).
In the following episodes, it turned out that hallf of said tribe had survived somehow (despite the fact, that the showmakers said they are dead).

The showmakers were ridiculed so much on the internet, that they didn’t release a small segment explaining the final episode :stuck_out_tongue:

Another example I can think of devs lying was the identity of the Arkham Knight character in the Batman: Arkham Knight video game. People guessed correctly, yet the devs were saying “Noooo, it’s not him”… and it turned out to be exactly who the people guessed.

So I would say, that StrikerJolt could be correct, despite what the devs might have said. I also thought this must be Rathma, given his power levels in comparison to his victims, as well as how tall he was.

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So GoT ending is an example of that “lying technique” not working very well. The Batman example is kinda different cause it shows the devs trying to cover up the fact that the community easily predicted their plot.

Of course StrikerJolt could be correct. He still has to take a chill pill and reconsider the sarcastic and disrespectful attitude. I said what I know based on D4 lore panel. I don’t say it’s the absolute truth.

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The moment you said “Wahmen” you lost any credibility you had

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And I said what’s been pre written before. Rathma looks exactly like that, with even the pinky, the skin, the age, the height, everything.

Besides - I don’t like wasting my time with people who don’t even know the basics of story telling. Why would I? It’s a waste of energy, by the way, foreshadowing isn’t lying…

It’s when you give teases about the future about one’s character.

Bringing her back through Rathma makes no sense. But if you think destroying a pre-established character’s identity and write something completely new that goes against one’s character is some how acceptable writing.

I can’t help you. Read a book some time. Read bad ones and good ones and then write comparisons.

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I feel the same about people who lack basic manners. You won’t get the approval you seek by acting like that.

Diablo wiki says : “His skin was pale white with tall black hair in his head”

I can’t see hair in the trailer. Should I read more books to be able to see it?

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Also Rathma has never been described to have completely black eyes

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Seriously? I’m on that side myself, but I should question your standard when you didn’t realize Illidan was Kerrigan 2.0. And yes, Illidan was one of my favorite char too in W3. Hated Illidan in WoW though, Blizz trying to make him an edgy badass or something.

Oh yeah, and prediction prediction. Bash the char after full story comes out.

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Rathma has been a hard-liner when it came to balance and although my lore is not that good if I remember right he went out of his way to prevent Lilith from returning the last time. He was also constantly butting heads with Inarius while trying to keep Sanctuary hidden from Heaven and Hell as he considered them both one in the same in how they would treat humanity.

With current information it makes absolutely no sense for Rathma to take the risk of summoning Lilith to Sanctuary as that would disrupt the balance having such a powerful demon walking among humanity.

Rathma is also described as having long, black hair and a cloak that shifts colors with his mood with a hood covering most of his head. The man in the cinematic, outside of a pale complexion and being tall, does not completely fit the description of Rathma. More than likely he is just a very high ranking, if not leader, of some cult that worships demons and/or Lilith.

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I’m wondering if Lilith is actually going to be on humanity side (would make more sense instead of being just a big baddie) but wanting to wage war against heaven/hell, then humanity gets split (we on the opposing side of Lilith) giving us a reason to fight her afterwards.

On general, I’m hyped for the game(gameplay, immersion, etc…), but I don’t have any sort of expectations about the lore, going to wait and see.

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I could see her being on nephalems side, but disregarding the loss of human life in general.
So chaotic neutral. Someone we end up fighting because she does too much harm, even if she technically fights for/with us.

Wouldnt exactly have high hopes for the story either.

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So you don’t think I thought about this? Aye? Yeah, okay, I didn’t feel like Illidan himself was so much Kerrigan 2.0 because in my personal opinion it felt like a natural and most importantly earned conclusion to his story.

Illidan had an end game - to stop the burning legion. He didn’t go off the path and start acquiring made up powers and knowledge at the writer’s whim because reasons.

Sylvanas plot should’ve ended at Ice Crown with Arthas. Just like other characters who should’ve been axed like Thrall. But nah, let’s keep writing terrible fan fiction and bretray original pre established and often times way better writing for the sake… of…

If you’re really comparing Illidan to Sylvanas. I have to question if you’re really being intellectually honest about the situation. Well, not so much question, but you know.

Already thought about this and figured they took liberty with the art direction to change his design while keeping some but not all.

Again, Blizzard has a habit of doing this again and again. So he’s missing one detail. It’s not like Blizzard has NEVER changed a character’s lore or design before.

Nope not once. Oh, waiiiiit.

Thank God my existence isn’t on the hinge of what other people think on the internet then. Lmfao. Stop trying to be my mom, I don’t care that you have some made up group in your head that I should care about their opinions as if they’re some how above me.

I don’t care about the opinions of majority of people and treat people on an individual basis and if that individual does not withhold enough knowledge on x topic to hold a conversation without it devolving into insults or arguing.

Then I rather just not get into conversation with that person. Get it?

I wouldn’t start talking about computer engineering with someone who can’t even tell me what CPU and GPU means.

And if you don’t like it that I’m not treating with you “respect”… well buddy, that’s on you. You enter a conversation without knowing some basic knowledge and even failed to google the correct definition for foreshadowing.

So not only did you not know anything of story telling, you failed to get a correct answer of what I asked you to look up. Lol, give me a break dude.

“I TOTALLY KNOW WHAT I’M TALKING ABOUT NOW, I DID A 5 SECOND GOOGLE SEARCH!”

I mean hell, you had to rely on a Blizzard post spoon feeding you an answer instead of using critical thinking skills. Hahaha. Like what.

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Except you care more when someone calls you out than when someone asks you to actually discuss what you made the post about.

If you didn’t care what people thought, you’d probably respond to the latter before the former. Instead, you essentially told me to get lost because I disagreed with you.

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Good job as choosing to ignore everything else I said.

Clap, clap.

I’ll just respond to people who are worth responding to. Sadly, a lot of you people aren’t worth responding to. :slight_smile:

You can’t have a discussion with someone who doesn’t understand anything about what’s being discussed.

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You barely know anything about literature, from what I’ve gathered. You came to the table with a subject you know less about than me, but still insist that I am not worth responding to. You’re condescending despite clearly just venting a personal frustration (and passing it off as legitimate critique) based almost entirely in assumptions where information is missing.

As someone who thinks they know so much about writing, I’m surprised you didn’t notice that I used your own words to summarize your entire rant. You think I ignored the rest, when in fact I just made it easier for any passerby to this post to understand.

TL;DR, it was a TL;DR.

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Oof. What a good come back. You’re totally right about me. /Sarcasm.

:slight_smile: Have a nice day.

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This was not an insult, it was an observation. That you took it as such is telling, though. Being defensive about the remark and dismissive of any critical look at what you say suggests you’re just a low-tier troll. Feel free to prove me wrong, rather than posting snide remarks.

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I’m not defending story path of Sylvanas here. I stopped playing WoW some time ago, so don’t really care. I’m pointing out that you might be biased and might be overreacting in this (with Lilith at least). And yes, I still consider Illidan, Kerrigan 2.0 (Illidan story came out soon after SC2 story was finished iirc. It’s hard not to see the similarity in it).

I know enough of what’s going on with ‘strong wahmen’ trope in movies, games and all that. But fallout from those is, you sometimes have people who see things that might not be there; let’s call that group A. And when certain people, call it group B, are in line with/support said product/idea, group A reacts as if group B are in support of ‘strong wahmen’ trope, attacking, calling them names and such (a knee-jerk reaction if you will). Group A is not that different with NPCs really, imo.

You may not be in that group, but your tone is still suggesting you’re more knee-jerking to this.

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The correct age with the correct looks? Rathma is a few thousand years old, has long black hair and a trimmed beard with almost perfect facial features (his appearance as described from the books). The guy in the trailer is bald and doesn’t fit the “almost perfect facial features” imo.

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Well the world is screwed and being overrun by Chaos and Hell so Rathma would turn to Lilith to help restore balance. Desperate times.

edit: Lilith will wage her war once more. Bow to the beloved mother of us all, plus maybe Rathma is sick of the balance thing because it is not working.

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Are we sure it’s Rathma?

Even if the character is Rathma are we sure it’s “Rathma” and not demonic possession?

That could explain the change of character, the black eyes, the baldness, etc.