I’m still waiting for what set back she had to endure by failing to get the Horde and Alliance against her.
I’m not trying to be rude. What was the set back? If you can’t name a set back she had to endure than your argument fails.
OH, NO, A TINY LITTLE SCARE! Stop thinking so black and white.
Which prompts her to go Super Saiyan. The reference is more to make a point. As I said, when all’s said and done, I do not think she’s a Sue. If I saw that scene in a vacuum, though? I would assume she was.
What Forum is this, again?
Welcome to Commaful? I don’t know, it was the first thing remotely related to this thread I could think of. Someone probably has a funnier reply lined up.
Daria. Please explain what set back Sylvanas endured by failing to get the Horde and Alliance to fight each other, even though they raided and killed the King of the Trolls.
Because from what I see - her goals still got accomplished regardless if she lost the rank of Warchief and regardless the Horde and Alliance isn’t a perma state of war.
What was the set back of this failure?
This is another part of being a Mary Sue where failures or set back have no weight or punishments towards a character.
The one where people spam their own threads, ignoring salient points made. Also a place for people to spam post until S19 starts on Friday, it seems.
We could go back further to the beginning of BfA for an obvious example. Her assault on Teldrassil did the opposite of what she hoped it would. Things did not go her way.
As for current? Her position now leaves her at odds with much of the force that was able to thwart the Burning Legion. You can pretend things went her way, but even someone who isn’t playing the game currently knows how it ends.
I feel like OP is just focusing on the last two cutscenes involving Sylvanas. Her whole story makes her clear that she isn’t a Mary Sue.
However, I think when you consider the context they have painted, that Sylv’s current power is a boon granted by another party and not of her own making, is really important when considering Suedom, lol.
There is a reason she is so powerful, and reasons matter in the context of the story.
I think there’s only so much wiggle room that allows, but I don’t think I’ve read any relevant fan fictions to post. I’d just say that personally I’d only say power as a boon only waves away momentary Suedom. Which, to be fair, fits Sylvie.
What ever the case, all that power won’t save her if she’s a raid boss for the last time. :^)
that is because of #metoo movement.
Rathma is a SJW 
I’m not pretending in, I was curious of what you were gonna say.
But did this truly effect her over all goals? Again, what was the OUT COME of this failure not the failure itself.
She was still able to noob stomp two important and powerful characters and obtain what she wanted to begin with. The failure didn’t effect the outcome of her character arch.
What Nick and many others fail to realize, I’m not upset by her killing Saurfang and the Lich King. It was the way it was handled and completely one sided all the way through. There was no struggle, there was no strife, she walked up and did everything she needed to do with very little effort despite her failures.
If her goal was to cause as much death as possible to challenge the Lich King as the souls gives her super powers. This is fine… but she failed and what was the price of her failure?
She got to do what what she wanted to do regardless without any type of struggle in anything.
If Nick wants to bring up “Hundreds of years of experience of fighting” - why was this not a key element in her fighting prowess and instead the writer relied on Magic Macguffins for her winning a fight?
She should have not stomped the Lich King like he was nothing, that was a huge mistake. She should’ve won by the skin of her teeth. Her failure to cause as much death as possible should’ve effected her level of power but did it? No it didn’t.
Again, her over all goals did not suffer despite her failures.
Her failures didn’t cost her anything.
Well, this one we gonna have to wait and see but I’m tired of Blizzard’s fan boys saying… “JUST WAIT AND SEE!” So either Sylvanas gets turned into a villain or becomes “I’M GOING TO FREE US ALL FROM THE SOCIETY.” Sylvanas.
Boring and predictable. I don’t see the current writers pulling off the story well enough for it to be a good journey.
Gonna restate this again, because you don’t get it.
Any writer can write any reason for their characters growth, it does NOT mean they should nor does it mean it’s a good reason.
This was noticeable in her fight with Saurfang and Bolvar. She evaded every swing that came her way. The magic she used effected the battle to the extent of… when she used magic. A lesser warrior would have fallen to Bolvar, and possible Saurfang.
If the reasons in context of the story don’t matter, then nothing matters. I think that Sylvanas manipulating 100% of Azeroth into a bloody conflict, freeing an Old God to further that bloody conflict, and amassing that power to complete her mission is a pretty good reason for her to be powerful.
Apologies, honestly. This wasn’t directed, it was general. I should have said ‘one could pretend’.
Just something to consider is also that the cinematic team may not have been on the same page as the storyboarders, or there may be time constraints on both production and cinematic length. Sometimes a cinematic feeling cheap like that can be chalked up to one of those issues.
This is what I’m most wanting to challenge. I don’t see how her current course of action can be considered successful in any fashion. The worst that can be said about her is that she’s a threat, but sometimes things are only a threat when left alone. Equating her to a common cold is pretty funny, too.
EDIT for elaboration; she’s lost a lot of her power after losing support from the Horde. And, as I understand, from the Forsaken, too.
This I can agree with on a personal level. I’m not a big fan of most of the writing in WoW. I don’t have as much of a problem with Diablo, though, and even the third game didn’t make it to my top ten worst story lists. It was more of a ‘meh’.
You’re failing to understand the broader picture of what I am saying, but that’s okay.
Mate - what? No. I don’t care how much fighting experience you have - you’re not gonna be able to stop a full swing from an orc with mere daggers and twig like arms.
I get that WoW is a fantasy, but again, it seems like the world is just bending to Sylvanas and crucial elements of lore is being ignored for the sake of Sylvanas.
There’s no way any Elf should just be able to stop a full force blow from a Orc whose been infused with demonic blood that already boosts their already incredible strength.
I think the Forsaken are also done with her, but again, did this effect her character arch? No it didn’t - she already stated that she never cared about the Horde or the Forsaken to begin so this isn’t really a loss for her. She and I quote “ARE ALL NOTHING!” so her losing that type of military power doesn’t matter and especially doesn’t matter if she can just instantly replace said power with another which it seems like is going to be the case.
Let’s say Sylvanas’ goal from day one was to shatter the helm and break the veil. Did any of her set backs through out Legion and BFA effect that out come? No. They didn’t therefor her success was always a guarantee despite her losing time and time again.
Which again, Mary Sue. Which is why I keep saying, she stopped being a character and started becoming just a plot device.
I actually love Diablo’s lore. Sure it’s not super original and not super complex but it is written well and since the history/lore is simple they can really focus on characters.
Which is why I hated Anu and that whole plot because it just wasn’t needed at all. Sometimes you have to ask “Does this new plot really contribute to the story? And if it does is it a necessary one?” which I don’t think Anu or explaining the world stone fully was a necessary one. There was just no reason for Anu to be created and I dislike when writers make an attempt to explain every little detail of their world.
Oh my god its a game. It doesn’t have to make sense. Bolvar parried the swing of a giant vrykul at the wrath gate and his shield didn’t budge. I don’t see you whining about that, even though he has stick arms compared to a vrykul.
He is a paladin. She is a banshee. there is more at play than their biceps.
But for you is the difference that… Sylvanas is a wee lil woman?
It isn’t a lack of comprehension, it is a lack of agreement. I don’t think a female character succeeding at something makes her a Mary Sue. Especially one who has failed so spectacularly for the entire history of the game. Until BFA, her entire legacy was one of failure.
“Oh my god, it’s a book, oh my god, it’s a movie, oh my god, blah blah blah”
When I pay for a product, I expect that product to be of quality.
Blocking =/= parrying and that was tame compared to this and the out come of that fight didn’t go Bolvar’s way. All of them almost died assaulting the gates.
You left out the most important part:
Bolvar parried the swing of a giant vrykul at the wrath gate and his shield didn’t budge. I don’t see you whining about that, even though he has stick arms compared to a vrykul.
But for you is the difference that… Sylvanas is a wee lil woman?
yeah, you would ‘blah, blah, blah’ that, wouldn’t you?
Maybe if he was supercharged by a N’aaru it would have been fine. Besides, him losing the fight had nothing to do with his own failing in a martial contest. He got nuked by blight.
And he blocked with one arm against an opponent that is much larger compared to him than Saurfang is compared to Sylvanas, and she used two arms. And
Edit: she parries a bunch with one hand, so I guess they are even.
You are a rampant sexist masquerading as a literary keyboard warrior
Lmfao… wow. You’re totally right.
Except, I never stated nor implied nor argued that I dislike Sylvanas being powerful because she is a woman. I dislike the way despite her constant set backs, despite PRE established lore she gets to do whatever she wants even it goes against the lore already written or breaks the rules of the universe besides this…
Yeah, you’re right. You never mentioned gender at all.
So… because you don’t understand why people are mocking a certain thing constantly you assume it must be a sexist reasons?
Great logic.
By the way, Nick, I don’t care about Bolvar blocking some giant’s swing because it is a fantasy. I only care when my suspension of disbelief is broken within the universe. Sylvanas broke that many times.
Now, if you would’ve brought up Varian soloing a giant mech legion robot by himself. I would’ve agreed that was also a bit ridiculous. Rolled my eyes the same way.