I remember a day when great players in D2 would gift items to the less fortunate, when people practiced sharing. Knowing something like, the person you are playing with has less than you, and you passing on the drop. That truly felt rewarding. Countless people have joined a random game and dropped freebies. People rush lowbies to help them out. There were so many different ways to interact and negotiate with your fellow player. FFA loot and trading allowed that. D2 was more than just a game, it was part adventure, part action and part human. There were drawbacks. Nothing was perfect, and sometimes things didnāt work out exactly as you wanted. But Those flaws imbued perfection. D2 greatly relied on the constructs of FFA loot. In D2 people were gracious, and people shared more than the loot. They shared an authentic experience, one worthy of a resurrection. On the other side yes, there were people who manipulated the system, but creating Ploot in D3 and removing trading, didnāt just kill people manipulating the system, it killed the people sharing and loving it as well. It killed the heart of Diablo 2. D3 suffered by alienating the many constructs that immortalized D2. Im looking forward to experiencing greatness again on September 23rd and learning something more about the past.
Iām hoping to recreate some of those past glories in a couple of weeks. My largest hope is that the community I meet there will be similar to the one you described from those golden days of yore.
Iām not 100% bullish, though, from what Iāve seen on this forum. Brrrrrā¦ The toxic sludge running through here is abysmal.
My other issue is that, with no ladder, Iāll be playing D2R in a way I never played D2. Iām mostly showing up to play so that the initial player counts remain high so that Blizz wonāt orphan the game in the first week and never patch it!
I think that the forum population represents an iota of the total. I didnāt even know this forum existed till like around August 1st. Many people will be logging in on Sep 23rd and I think you can expect the population will stay strong like the first year of wow classic, as long as not too many changes occur. Classic took its biggest hit when it divided its population. Once people experience the game and put a couple weeks into it, I think they will find comfort zones.
Yeah that is probably true. The majority arenāt even weighing in because they have lives unlike many of us haha. A remaster is whatās expected. And yes once people finally start playing, these crazy demands for change will slow down.
Iām not totally against intelligently executed changes to the game that are in the spirit of the game, but we know itās a very slippery slope so it has to be done with great care.
I enjoy talking to people about proposed changes, and asking them to explain why it is good and whether they understand how it would affect various aspects of the game like PvP balance, player behaviour, economy, etc. But all too often people immediately get offended and start speaking in an inflammatory manner.
When Diablo 3 came out, I was expecting another decade of extreme fun. Instead, we were given a dead and soulless game. I never understood why Blizzard didnāt put a super-fan of Diablo 2 in charge of the creative process for Diablo 3. When I look at Diablo 3 and Diablo 4, I ask myself: āwhat the hell happened?ā.
Thereās jackasses in both games. Even the guys who gave you items would turn around and gouge someone in a trade.
Did you know people in Seasons in D3 will often let people join their games and leech drops?
Meh. You can still trade in D3, you just have to be grouped with people. It actually encourages grouping together. Or it would if drop rates hadnāt been mistakenly pushed so high you donāt need other players to get geared.
I donāt know how prevalent it was in D2, but Iām not sure it was all this rosy. Thereās been a lot of videos and articles about players scamming other players. I recall some of those that exploited the timing of the trade window.
Also not sure if youāre implying or not but ploot doesnāt necessary mean no trade or bind to account. Do remember that in D3 vanilla, there was the RMAH and AH and free trade.
Yeah scamming was a thing in D2, but frankly, there were a lot more free games, and people joining normal games and just free rushing groups of players.
Before the bots started running everything, high level players did cow games to help lower level players and friends level.
I ran a into about 4 scammers in the 20 years I played D2. I hosted dozens if not hundreds of free games, were I dropped extra stuff I got MFing for low players.
I know many people, that end of ladder seasons, dumped all their now NL characters gear for NL newbies to have.
Yes, D2 could be toxic at times, it was one of the Wild West types of games of early 2000s multiplayer. But there was also a lot of community support.
The forum here is a tiny, tiny fraction of the overall player base. Even all of Twitch, Discord, JSP and this forum together are a small fraction of the overall player base.
Which is why there is some irony in the āthousands of posts saying the same thingā crusaders hoping theyāll convinceā¦the very people who donāt care much about their opinions. Itād be laughable if it werenāt so sad.
ya, i am going to get hate for this butā¦i like both games equally. d3 was terrible at the start but with the changes + RoS, itās just as fun to play as d2. each has their good things and bad, neither is terrible. but then again, thatās just me.
