When did Vyrs/Archon become top wizard build?

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Have been out of the loop for a while, but I just checked the non-seasonal ladder and it looks like all the top Wizards are running Vyrs/Archon build.

I remember when the top build was Tal set with Deathwish/Sigil. When did that change?

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Since this, I believe…

https://us.diablo3.com/en/blog/22989462/patch-265-now-live-5-14-2019

Chantodo’s Will

Every second while in Archon form you expel a Wave of Destruction, dealing 1000% 4000% weapon damage to enemies within 30 yards.

Every time you hit with an attack while not in Archon form, 1000% 4000% weapon damage is added to the Wave of Destruction, stacking up to 20 times

Wave of Destruction damage now scales with attack speed

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Since 2.6.5 4 months ago. Chantodo at 20 stacks gives:

-80.000% weapon damage scaleable according to attack speed (another multiplier). Approximately 20 gr boost in strength compared to 2.6.4
-auto-cast
-no ap cost
-against all directions
-procs BoTT due to cold

In addition, archon is highly mobile, stacks stricken fast due to insane as and is tough (vyr dr, increased armor, karini or ooid in some builds, shields buffed by ABB).

Now look at other two-piece class specific sets. Good balance.

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Yep pretty much, chantodo is the reason why vyr archon is so powerful.

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So all my ancient enchanted Tal set pieces, and ancient legendaries for that build are now useless? Check my profile - Iceblink.

:frowning:

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I’ve played VAA/CR to LB levels in S12 and S14, ie before the current buff to CR.

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I know how you feel, luv.

Wait…did you copy Grumpy Cat’s real name??? :scream_cat: :scream_cat: :scream_cat:

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Said the guy who knows nothing about the build.
Chantodo is okay, and not the op, because:

-it has a cold start (try to acquire 20 stacks on a rift start, lol)
-damage is high only within swami uptime (10 seconds), so it needs to have a high weapon damage value.
-vyr’s archon build has a cooldown of archon form and swami has 10 seconds only damage window.

Chantodo was a pure trash for the whole diablo 3 existence, let it shine.

If you’re so jealous about your build doing gr100 barely, ask to buff it, god damn you…

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Pretty much this.
And chantodo vyr relies on mob density too.

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:crazy_face:…

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it became the top build when Blizzard decided they needed a super noob/casual friendly build that virtually anyone with almost no previous experience could get into the gr 100+ range.

Participation trophy anyone?

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Do you have a lot of experience pushing with VAA/CR?

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Where did I ask for nerfs? Why this attack? I play wizard exclusively, and mainly Chantodo. But let’s not pretend it’s not by far the strongest build in the game. Also, chantodo was part of firebird archon which was the strongest build for some seasons.

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As I said, at 20 stacks… 4000% per stack… that’s 80000%

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  1. I never said anything about pushing with it.
  2. I said it is ridiculously easy to gear and do gr 100 or higher for even inexperienced players. The fact that you need a 117 i believe to even see the LB for wiz can attest to this.
  3. I personally do not like the build or playstyle, i feel that they made it this way on purpose so more new players could feel that they were playing a powerful op build.
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Will everyone stop bashing Vyrs? It’s the Chantado set that got the buff. Vyrs stayed the same. The build is benefiting because of the synergy. It even makes other sets stronger if the build revolves around archon.

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Nice dodge, but fine, Do you have any experience with VAA at that level or past it? Anything to back up the claim?

You’re just restating your original claim. Do you have any experience doing so?

Any popular class will have a higher bottom on the LB. There’s a lot more competition for Wizards this season. Using the LB to measure relative power differences is quite inaccurate unless you have strong controls for network effects. Did you set up a scientific study or just confirm your biases?

So… no. You don’t actually know what you are talking about. It’s so easy, but you couldn’t figure it out or even be bothered to explore it. Thanks for splainin!

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Considering that Chantodo is 10 GRs above everybody else more or less…

Of course, it’s more likely that everybody else will be buffed to Chantodo’s lvl, and that the GR cap will be increased again.

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Maybe. It’s also possible that there is simply a lot more competition on the Wizard LB due to that perception.

Judging relative power levels from mid season LB ranks isn’t very accurate.

Also, not super relevant to most people. It’s easy for nubs and know-nothings to proclaim how easy and OP VAA is, in say getting to GR 100. I doubt most of the commentators in this thread have made it past GR85. How many people here are actually on the LB?

How many people actually have experience with what they are QQing about?

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Said it in other topic about it, I wish they changed the set + weapon/source so that the beam would do all the damage. I think it is silly(still secretely kinda fun) that the wave does so much of the damage. Just let it boost normal Archon skills like the awesome beam too. I would love that feeling of the powerful beam destroying everything it touches. It can be just as strong for all I care, let wiz have the top spot for a while longer.