I’d like to find some different builds that can utilize the cain’s destiny set for the extra riftstones. I have tried the WoL Monk for this and I just can’t get it to work for me? What builds are out there that can use or swap into cain’s at the rift guardian. Any class is fine.
Edit 2 - I was out to lunch here…all of the advice below is for the Sage set. StonePro’s post below finally tipped me off.
Given that you’ve clocked the most hours on WD, I’m suprised you didn’t mention trying Zuni…it fits there.
At your paragon though, you will likely find it slow and/or squishy depending on how you build it and your expected Torment level.
In short, Cain’s fits the sets that have “off” pieces. The standard is Helm, Shoulder, Gloves, Chest, Pants, and Boots. Any set that breaks that mold will fit Cains.
So, you found Sunwuko (“off” Amulet), there’s Zuni (“off” Mojo & Ring), Akkhan (“off” amulet), Tal Rasha (“off” Amulet, Source & Belt), Inna (“off” Belt, Daibo).
What am I missing folks?
Edit: As League mentions below, there’s IK too, but then you’d have to use BoulderBreaker…
Condemn Crusader is the one I usually run with Cains. It’s really a DPS issue at T16 trying to balance kill speed with survivability without GoldWraps.
Any build that has a 7th set outside of normal 6 would work fine. That includes SWK or Inna, which you may well know. You’re just reluctant to give up the juicy range WoL (head piece). You could cube it (albeit still giving up 150% WoL spell damage), but you may also have to wear RoRG also. Remember though. You only need to be wearing Cain’s set when killing RG. You could clear the rift with your normal speed gear, swap out gear (including WoL head piece), and kill the Guardian. But, yeah. You need to have enough damage to kill it after forfeiting the head gear.
I’m more focused on HC right now, doing side stuff, but in SC, I farmed keys with an IK set. Damage was enough to 1-2 shot trash mobs. Toughness, tad short end, but nothing couple of legendary gems won’t fix.
WOL sunwuko is what I use and it’s been effective. Your damage and paragon is rather low though. I would recommend grinding out some higher GR to get at least a few hundred paragon before calling it quits on that. If you find the right group that will let you leach - that can be done within a few hours and you will likely find some better gear for either WOL, TR or support monk.
None, because Cain’s needs a belt before it can be used with any set, because you can’t replace two pieces of a set and still retain the set bonus.
You can’t use it in a Legacy of Dreams gem build because it is a set itself, and it will kill the LoD bonus.
You can only use Cain’s in a “fun” build, because you won’t be able to go any higher than T8 with it.
Obviously you are incorrect here, as you can do it with any set that has 7 options.
DH - Natalya’s has hand xbow and ring: eg:
Cains helm
Cains Gloves
Nats Cloak
Nats Pants
Nats Boots
Nats Ring
Nats xbow
RoRG cubed obviously
Just farm for gold when running rifts.
You’ll actually need a gold supply before rift keys…
Agreed, but as a DH player, I can tell you that despite the Cain’s bonus, it will do you no good because the Nat’s set by itself is as utterly useless as the Cain’s set by itself.
Tal’s Wiz might be better…
Rift Guardian spawns…run in a corner put Cain’s on let public group kill the rg… you’re going to occasionally die but that’s probably best way to do it while continue to do dps. Especially if you’re farming death breaths during rift on UE or something… people won’t really notice either. Just go pick up some loot or something.
Yeah I wouldn’t care if someone swapped to Cain’s in T16 pubs.
Like, if you run the whole rift with 5p Mundungu’s, 2p Crimson’s, no RoRG, zero gems in gear, and can’t kill anything since you have no set bonus, I’m gonna call you out (that happened to me not once, but twice this week! Like, either run the full 6p and no Crimson’s or run RoRG! C’mon.).
If you run the whole rift, then swap to Cain’s at the last second while I one-shot the RG, no biggie.
For Sunwuko WoL, I also swap in Convention of Elements and Bane of the Stricken. It takes 4 seconds for fire phase to start, making it easier to kill the boss. I’ve time marked this video link to show the swap if you’ll like to see it:
Sunwuko Tempest Rush can run it just fine without the need to swap at all
impale dh can do t16 with 4 set given enough paragons to survive. this means you can use your cain set. Although, it’s better to run a speed build that maximizes movement speed. It would actually give more keys per hours. Cain set is useful if you’re leeching.
Well Barb is not a good fit.
Monk can with both Inna and SWK, you’d probably look at Exploding Palm and Tempest Rush respectively.
Witch Doctor can with Zuni.
Wizard can with Tal Rasha and Firebird’s.
Crusader there’s really only Akkhan’s.
Demon Hunter there’s Natalya’s only. You might be able to do something with Marauder’s or Shadow, but it will take a lot of power.
Necromancer has no options really.
I mean, technically you could.
But If you want to run T16s on wizard with Cain’s, I’d go Tal’s.
Firebird’s is a HORRIBLE T16 build. Both your damage and your damage reduction depend on having an elite burning. On T16 it’s basically a pure elite hunting build. You can sometimes take out big packs of trash, but all the small trash dies first and then you have no Firebird stacks left to kill the high health high progression stuff. So then you just have a bunch of half health Golgors and Unburied standing around that you can’t kill anymore unless you find an elite. Then you get one-shot by every stray arrow when you are moving between elites because you also have no damage reduction without an elite burning.
The only reason you’d run Firebird Cain’s over Tal’s Cain’s is if you’re a bit of a masochist.
Really wish they’d reimplement no gear swapping or having some sort of penalty like we used to have with Nephalem Valor stacks.
Gear swapping mid fight just shouldn’t be allowed, period. It breaks every bit of believability. Hold on, i’m in the middle of a fight, lemme change my pants gloves and boots real quick fellas…
I don’t think so.
This is personal opinion and very much the minority I know but… I’d suggest actually putting together a strong build using the crafted sets or smaller sets, cains+sage+captains etc something like that can still be pretty fun, sure, probably not t16 viable but if you’re quick enough on a lower diff, I’ve run t13 farmers like this, you’ll actually outpace your t16 resource gathering.
Yea, that’s the thing about Firebird and why no one uses it. However, it does allows you to just hunt out elites, as you do on T16 rifts and Jump from one to another - which is what you would do on a farming set. The set even has so much damage you don’t need that much supportive legendary complementing it.
Anywho, it was a question about what sets could use them, not the best. And I’m hoping we see a rewamp og Firebird’s in the coming balancing patches.
Well there was no condition in the OP about usefulness… but yeah, a UE speed build would likely net more keys over a period of time simply because you can run more rifts than with Nats, offsetting the Cain’s bonus.