Hi newly building up my vyr and am wondering if messerschimidt can substitute orotz
Then cubing messer, i can wear endless walk + coe + squirts yielding a much higher %dmg increase but not sure if the cooldown is manageable this way esp in higher GRs
Pretty sure the cooldown starts when Archon ends and you won’t be killing much outside of Archon so I don’t think it would work.
Depends on how high gr. The problem with that build isnt the run its the rg which is the problem. If u cant kill rg within 1-2 archon then zodiac would be rly helpful. The rest of the run messer pretty much keep u with instant archon
For speed runs and NR I am using only MSR build variantion and it is very good (I am fastest with MSR build). Problems with RG I have with MSR build around GR117-GR118 (depends on gear, paragon, etc.). For higher GR I am using build variantion with zodiac (without MSR).
That’s not how it works, actually.
Cooldown starts as soon as you pop Archon, and continues elapsing while you are in Archon, even though you can’t see it.
Obsidian procs (from any Arcane Torrent bolts etc. you have in the air), In-Geom procs, and Messerschmidt’s Reaver procs all still apply while you are in Archon.
Messerschmidt’s definitely works in place of Obsidian Ring. The only issue, as others have mentioned, is whether or not you can kill RGs without minions in less than one rotation. If you can’t, you’re kinda stuck.
The other thing I find for speedfarming is that teleports with Messerschmidt’s are a bit slow. Obsidian Ring + In-Geom/Aether Walker gives you noticeably quicker teleports. With Messerschmidt’s you’re stuck with a bit of a slower cooldown on Teleport.
It’s not all that significant for 3-5 min rifts, but I really dislike it for super speedy sub 2 min rifts (for low level gem levelling). I find it noticeable at that pace. I still use In-Geom for that purpose.
It’s actually better for t16 and bounties. You don’t need the chantodo stacks, so you auto-transform back into Archon. However, for higher GRs, you have to go with ORotZ.
hello, I’m new to Wizard. Can you explain why MR doesn’t need to rebuild the chantodo stacks? I just setup my Vyr set yesterday and only learned about getting 20 stacks of Chandodo today and am still in the learning phase. thanks!
You need chantodo stacks for higher stuff. It’s like 95% if your damage. But on t16, the beam is perfectly able to kill stuff in its own, and chantodo stacks are just gravy. MSR allows you to stay in Archon with no downtime.
From my Solo GR experiences:
With Reaver cubed, I get to kill everything fast as I could overlap Archon Stacks much earlier, but have difficulty with RG and oftentimes getting 1-hit while not in archon form.
With RotZ cubed, I get to kill everything evenly consistently. I get to Archon as soon as Chantodo gets to 20 stacks.
With both cubed, my DPS drops and it is not worth it.
I’d go with RotZ.
When i run the Vyr build i have constant double jump when im in archon form. I jump forward and then halway back. Is there a setting to change that? Im also from South Afrika, so my ping is a bit higher than EU ping. And what does the cooldown need to be?