Obviously you can’t do this nor would you do this on Hardcore.
I see so many people talking about how they’re farming the Holiday Gifts from the goblins but come to find out, every single person talking about that, keeps skipping 7 guaranteed goblins that come from the back of the Baroness in the vault. These 7 goblins are Guaranteed regardless if the vault is ancient or not. Furthermore after the 7 one, let her kill you, then go kill another 7, repeat this as many times as you want.
My record for 1 sitting is 70 goblins off one non-ancient vault. Yes that means I went in 10 times, that’s 7 goblins off her back per death.
People are always making excuses about it’s time consuming and not worth it WHICH IS COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT and has nothing to do with anything. This is about people skipping 7 goblins. Time spent isn’t even a valid reply to skipping something that drops an item. How fast anyone goes doesn’t impact anything.
There is zero reason to be skipping 7 guaranteed goblins when farming Holiday Gifts because a goblin is a goblin.
I can’t seem to find any information online about an attack CD period nor a stun period nor an attack weight for her, but Greed seems to have 4 different attacks, only 1 of which is the charge, and gobbos only drop if she runs into a wall or the center ruby thing, at which point she is stunned for a “short period of time.”
Even if we were to assume a 100% collision rate when she charges, that’s only a 25% chance she will charge per attack, and each attack probably has at least a 2 or 3 second cooldown, and her stun probably lasts 2 seconds. Even assuming 100% kill rate on her gobbo drops, I’m willing to bet it takes at least 2 to 3 minutes to get a full 7 drops.
Which means you wasted at least 20 minutes trying to kill those 70 gobbos, and you neglected to mention how many gifts you got.
Each closing of the vault takes 60 seconds, and I’m going to say a full vault clear (as in, the vault + just killing Greed) probably takes about 3 minutes. So that’s 4 minutes per run, which means I could have done 5 entire vault runs in the time YOU did one of them.
Or, I could have speed-run at least twice that number of GR’s. GR Guardians seem to have ~50% drop rate for the gift and GR# doesn’t seem to influence this from what empirical testing I’ve seen reported here + my own observation.
But no, clearly you’re on to something here, and we should all by dying 10 times per vault while trying desperately to keep Greed alive.
I use a a straight up impale demon hunter to pull this off as I can vault out of the way fast as well as through her to trigger her running because this stuns her because of the passive for vault.
How I get her to run into a wall, is by running around her in circles and jump into her if you’re close to her her running at you is more frequent
She usually does a hammer attack, a ground earth quake attack a jump then a run, I can get her to run at me by manipulating that tactic.
If you want to come with me in a game I can show you
I’m more interested to know A.) how long this took you, and B.) how many gifts you got from it. Cuz I can do a GR90 in my sleep within like 3 minutes and get a 50/50 shot each time at one gift.
I have been running a few GRs each day since day one, and only on day 1 did I get any gifts. I have not had one gift since day one of the event. I have ran maybe 20 GRs the last few days, and… Nothing. That 50% is turning into a lot less.
Kinda annoyed, the only gifts I have gotten were all the first day and I haven’t seen any since.
I even burned through 10 normal rings (in non-season) and got no gifts of of any of the gobs on those runs either. And I did stick around to try to kill an extra goblin or two off of Greed, but those are not normal goblins, they are called something else. No gifts off of them either.
*shrug
I guess I must have maligned the gift gods somewhere.
I don’t know what ‘non-ancient’ goblin vaults he is talking about, but there are 3 goblins that drop goodies. All the other mobs that you kill for little to no loot are just peons or maybe a cleverly named mob or even the big goblin with the big bag or loot, but they always drop crap loot. It’s just fun to kill the dang things.
At the end of an ‘ancient’ rift, I have encountered zero mobs many times. The only thing for me to pwn are piles of gold that spawn gold and/or some gems. Guaranteed 7 goblins at the end? Yeah, I don’t think so. Heck, I have seen a fully packed ‘ancient’ vault with NO MOBS whatsoever at the very end before I open the door to the treasure boss.
Either you are playing a completely different game or you are inebriated in way, shape, or form. i.e. tie yo shoe laces and quit yo trippin’ son or better yet, back on up cuz you frontin’ foo.
They are talking about farming Greed the boss at the end of the Vault. If you keep leading her to run into the walls or the center gem, she farts off a goblin, but its time consuming. And if you have a powerful build you may have to gimp your damage so you don’t kill her too fast accidentally.
I usually farm one or two before ending it. Just too tedious to mess with.
Greed cannot kill my character, even on Torment 16. So, wasted effort. And, she dies with one shot. So, standing there waiting for goblins is excruciatingly painfully zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz and, for what, more crafting material? Wow… so worth the time.
Oh, okay, gotcha. I forgot about that trick. It’s been a while since I did that, usually just kill the boss fast, but sometimes I squeeze 1 or 2 goblins just for fun.
It’s amazing how so many people claim to know things they cannot possibly know.
Here is the deal people. Blizzard is the only one who has the actual drop tables and rates.
The data players get has not been confirmed by Blizzard and for some strange reason, players continue to this day argue they don’t need it to be correct which is amusing because how would you know if you’re correct unless Blizzard shows you?
If I have a piece of paper in my pocket with numbers written on it and I never show it to anyone then no one knows wtf those numbers are, and Unless I show you those numbers, then no one has that data. All the testing in the world doesn’t matter unless you can show your results match what’s on the paper. If I never show you what’s on that paper, the anyone trying to say they did testing is silly and they look dumb.
If Blizzard doesn’t confirm the data you players come up with, then the data is nothing more than player opinion NOT FACT.
It can only be FACT when you can show Blizzard data and numbers and player data and numbers side by side are the same.
It amazes me how people continue to ignore confirmation they don’t have, is required to do actual data testing.
I very well could be wrong, but that isn’t the issue with this situation.
The issue is how people keep making claims they have ZERO proof of, and then try to use their own data to prove themselves right.
Blizzards data is 100% REQUIRED in order to confirm that any player data to be correct. Until Blizzards Data and Player Data are shown side by side, no player is ever going to be right about their testing this applies to the entirety of Diablo.
I don’t have to prove I’m right, I only need to prove none of you have any confirmation to anything you’re saying. Your own data doesn’t confirm anything except your own data which isn’t comparable to anything except your opinion.
OP I’d say if you want to take the time to farm those extra goblins go for it. I very much think if someone did the math it would not be worth it, but you do you. You obviously know it’s an unpopular opinion.
Just to point out though, you are way off base in your original post when saying time spent is irrelevant. If you’re using a method that will get you 20 gifts per hour and I’m getting 50 gifts per hour a different way, I will have a better chance of getting whatever rare drop I’m farming. That’s just math. We don’t even have to know any drop rates to prove it. Doesn’t mean I will 100% get it before you, that’s RNG, but statistically speaking, I have a much better chance.