So it could clear a 133 at best, which is exactly what was being said in the WW thread for the last two weeks. Its almost as if the people in the forums actually know what they’re talking about, maybe we should listen to them instead of listening to the people making garbage up about clearing 148 when they barely cleared a 140.
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I am not actually sure. The direct damage is horrible.
At 133 it basically needs great AD Rend procs to do much of anything. The rest is Conduit.
This will NEVER do 133 reliably, ever. Pylons can do 133 for you, sure.
This build is not up to par.
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Either way, everything you and Free and everyone else was saying in that thread has been confirmed. How people were arguing against it is beyond me.
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EDIT:
Here’s a second video showing its damage, this time you can see the GR tier on the top right corner:
I can provide footage on how bad it is all day long. 
People think WW is like spin to win where you clear anything off one highlight video someone uploads. Time to see how bad it actually is in practice against 99% of mob comps / maps in the game.
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Easy, they take away my toy Chantodo, it hurts me, now I want to hurt someone else…
The facts were already on the table, good gear, 10,5k paragon, in his own stream he said finally a good map and he was very pleased about the monster types, then when he drew in multiple packs he took the conduit which gave him an enormous boost and still it was a hard clear on 140.
But on this forum you can’t win based on arguments and numbers, shouting and stamping your feet works better it seems.
Conclusion no WW build in the top this season, I think Seismic Slam will be number 1 Barb at the end of the season and probably a faster lvl 100 speed runner aswell.
Edit: Apparantly 17% damage increase per GR level works different than I understood from an older post. Thanks to Jay for pointing it out.
Thanks for providing the video evidence of what Barbs knew all along.
All those people that called Barbs crybabies, trolls, and other various names now look extremely stupid.
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ROFL
And I got laughed at for saying this is going to be a FULL 10 GR nerf in a thread last week by a “more experienced” player parroting/defending some streamers words.
Wind has really been knocked out the sails for this season. Even clearing Guardian is gonna be a struggle.
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They always did! Now, they just know it.
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Barely doing a 133 with 10k paragons is surprising. The theory doesn’t lie, it “should” be 7 GR less, but it’s clearly at least 10GR less currently. Where does the 3+ GR deficit comes from?
Are we sure that everything’s working as intended? Like, maybe Lamentation doesn’t even stack 2 rends right now. That would explain the difference.
It’s not quite as simple as 200/17.
The increase is exponential, so you need to factor in that each GR will need 17% more raw output than the last.
That’s where the 7GR’s guesstimate comes from anyway.
They simply don’t know what they’re doin. They should take out the rotten one’s and replace it with competent people.
My question is… Is there not a single good Diablo player at Bliz that can internally test these patches before they go live. Maybe it’s not a good idea to have the office secretary be the main play tester. No offense to secretaries, I am sure there are a couple good players out of all of them, but I can assure you they do t work for Bliz.
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They could, but they’re too busy playing Arch Wiz to care about other classes
The thing is; they got all the feedback they needed on the forums the day after the blizzcon PTR pictures leaked. The crusader set got called out as being 145+ capable, and that was right. Lamentation got called out as being a 7 GR nerf, and that was also right, damn near right on the nose on that one, being called out to max out at 133, which Ulma proved earlier. They ask us to test for them on their PTR then openly ignore our findings. I hate to say this, cause I know these are good people working there, but it’s ignorant and a touch incompetent, and insulting to the people on the forums doing the work to figure these changes out. They’re not just guessing to guess, the math work is being done.
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I think it’s more than a 7 GR nerf. On PTR the 200% Lamentation belt could have done higher than 140.
I know that the math indicates it should be specifically 7 GRs but I don’t think it’s working out that way in the actual game due to whatever factors going on with Rend and WW.
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Yes, pretty sure there’s something else at play apart from the Lamentation nerf. This patch seem to have broken a lot of things, so maybe some bonus/items aren’t working properly right now.
Agreed, I just use -7 and 133 cause those were the numbers that were agreed upon the most in the WW thread. And as we are finding, even those numbers were a little too conservative from what we ended up with. Either way, if a bunch of randos in a forum saw it, why didn’t people being paid to do this for a living at Blizzard see it? Or better yet, why did they ask us to test, then tell us we were wrong? We’ve been proven to be right.
I use the royal ‘we’ here of course, I didn’t have jack to do with all the work you and Free, et. al. actually did.
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On PTR I cleared 128 and was very close to 130. Now I was suffering on 124. I think the nerf is ~7-10 GR minus.
I don’t have access to all the game math running on the D3 server so the best I can do is fish open maps and compare what I experienced in PTR vs live.
Theoretically, can live nerfed Rend do a 133? Possibly. But 200% Lamentation could have also done a 143 theoretically, easy.
That’s why I don’t buy the 7 GR nerf claim as a “small nerf”.
The dumb 7 GR mantra is being spread about Barb to make it seem like it’s nothing to worry about.
And, even if it is exactly 7 GR’s weaker, 7 GR’s weaker from 140 is garbage these days. A 133 is nothing. 7 GR nerf when the starting point is 140 is huge.
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“While we were very happy with how much better Barbarians are performing, we are concerned we may have overshot it” ©
Too concerned… Too overshot…
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