The full altar must be added to NS

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Nothing you said in your reply countered what I was pointing out.

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The problem with not bringing the full alter to non season is a new build doesn’t work without it. That being the new Nat’s. Without the reduced cooldown from the Empowered shrine, you can’t use Nat’s Slayer and have to use Dawn and you can’t have CoE on account of having to use Nat’s Ring.

That cuts 4-5 GR’s from the Nat’s Set regardless of the other effects of the alter making it non season or not.

So I am absolutely in favor of the whole alter making it to nonseason, because all this stuff about “only the QoL stuff should be transferable” ignores totally that the new DH Set won’t work in non-season without the shrine effects.

So I say, if you’re against the whole alter then the QoL stuff should not transfer either. Your likes and desires are no more important than mine.

Quit being hypocrites.

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DMKT isn’t using Dawn in his build in the Nat Non-Season leaderboard #5.
Daluan isn’t using Dawn in his build in the Nat Non-Season leaderboard #7.
DiEoxideE isn’t using Dawn in his build in the Nat Non-Season leaderboard #8.

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Have any of them cleared 150? What does it say about the set that some of the best players in the game can’t clear 150 and have even complained about the “squishyness” of the set without Dawn?

Hmmm, try again, bud.

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You didn’t say anything about clearing 150. Quit moving the goal posts when you say something wrong because you were too lazy to look it up.

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I said, the set won’t work. Working is clearing 150 with high paragon and skill. So how 'bout you come up with a better argument than using players that have openly said, the set is too squishy without Dawn.

Edit: They’ve even called for another rework to the set that would add Vengeance to the set in a similar way to how Akkahn works. lol

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You said you can’t use Nat Slayer and have to use Dawn. Then I pointed out 3 leaderboard clears that shows that it’s completely false statement.

Then you started up making excuses about squishyness because you were wrong. And don’t have skill level to play at the level of the people listed.

Lame.

Just admit. You opened your mouth without looking at the leaderboards

That’s the problem with the altar – it does make players think their better players than they actually are.

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Check the season leaderboards, look in the top 50 range, you’ll find my name with the Nat’s set. Just a few ranks behind dmkt, dieoxide and so on.

Check your work before you decide someone has no skill, lol.

Edit:

Extra tidbit, I’m in the same clan as the two players we’re talking about, just fyi.

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I don’t see you on the Non-seaosn leaderboard – ie I’m complaining I can’t really play without the seasonal boost because it’s too squishy

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now see, my nonseason clear is with bad gear, ie half of it is non ancient with bad stats. 135 almost 137 but not quite. Now check dmkt’s clear, check his gear and then get back to me.

Edit: Keep in mind that I have about 2000 less paragon too. lol

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So basically, you’re saying that you haven’t tried a non-season push with Nats and your opinions about Nat’s being unplayable and pushing in non-season is based on no personal experience.

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What part of me playing the set gave you the impression that I don’t play the set.

Now you’re just arguing to argue. lol

Edit:

But I’ll reiterate, if part of the altar goes, it should all go. You QoL is no more important than my enjoyment.

Just sayin’.

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I didn’t say you don’t play the set. I’m saying you haven’t made a non-season solo push.

That’s not the same thing.

You’re argument is that you want the altar because - “Without the reduced cooldown from the Empowered shrine, you can’t use Nat’s Slayer and have to use Dawn and you can’t have CoE on account of having to use Nat’s Ring.”

However, you haven’t tried a non-season push using the same build the DMKT and DieOxide has used.

So basically, you’ve given an opinion based on no personal experience pushing solo non-season with Nats. That’s fine. Just lazy.

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You didn’t read my other posts or the original apparently. I said, you have to use the items because the set is too squishy and the players you’ve decided to illuminate agree with me.

In otherwords, find better strawmen.

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It’s squishy and that’s why only good players can play that build in NS and get the extra GRs.

That’s how rewarding skill is supposed to work.

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And those “better players” haven’t cleared 150. So, in your logic, playing a build that is squishy but can’t clear 150 when other sets can is “all good”.

Thank you.

Now, I’ll say it again. No pets picking up stuff, no other benefits from the altar if the whole altar doesn’t make it.

Your QoL is not more important than my enjoyment. (maybe this time it’ll get through your thick skull, hypocrite)

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Then the obvious answer is to boost the Nat build so the skilled players can clear 150. Not bring in the altar so mediocre players can.

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mediocre…

You keep using that word but I don’t think it means what you think it means.

I’ve already proven I’m well above average. But sure, hypocrite, deny that if it makes you feel better.

Edit:

The irony of someone who hasn’t played the set, can’t compete with his own “top players” benchmark arguing with someone who has played the set and can compete isn’t lost on me either.

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You’ve proven you can play with the seasonal boost.

I don’t push Seasons because I think the seasonal boosts are lame. I push non-season in my favorite builds.

I think I’m somewhere in the WD non-season leadeboards in 2022-1 in every set when I last pushed. I did manage to clear GR150 with Tals before P5000 - some stat person made a post that only 30 or so people manage to do that below 5000. But then again, it wasn’t that hard since Tals is so OP.

I’m a mediocre DH player at best. I like GoD and that’s about it. In Non-season 2022-1 I’ve only cleared 134. #11 is a good player, they cleared 137 and 800 less paragon - the only one with less paragon then me. In NS 2023-1, I somehow managed to clear GoD GR139 after the set buff - which is still the lower paragon than everyone above me until the real players start pushing at the end of the season.

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I’ve proven also that I also was only a handful of tiers behind dmkt with bad gear. I’ve proven that dmkt agrees the set is too squishy because he can’t clear 150 and would if Vengeance was a part of the set and I’ve proven that you are an absolute hypocrite, that’s good enough for me.