They wont ban or delete the botters but they will delete this post.
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And yet nothing you said is going to stop bots all you are looking at is one small piece and ignoring the big picture
Like I said the only way to stop botting is for those in charge of botting to do there job
cutting the amount of points you get is only going to cut how powerful your character will become
They are your boxing bots not mine
and stopping a bot from joining a game to do split bounties isn’t going to stop them from botting on their own even if it isn’t as efficient
You aren’t doing anything about running bots for keys
or gaining equipment to wear for your character
At the end of the day bots now days are used to get bounty mats and keys stopping bots from joining games isn’t going to stop them from doing it single player and nothing to stop them from running rifts for keys
Just because your way can possibly make it fairer all round for every one by limiting the amount of Paragon points you get it is in no way going to stop bots
And you aren’t solving the problem of bots because they are still being going to be used
Even if it is to get top equipment, get keys to run GR, and running 100 GR to get levels on gems
So after running a bot for 18 hours the botter has legendary gems up around the 100 mark ready to augment equipment, stash full of items to check for better items, if the botter doesn’t do this automatically and have a ton of keys to push the LB
That is 18 hours of play that a non botter has to catch up on and we all know they wont and the botter can spend 8 hours running GR to get to stop spot while the non botters still have to run rifts for keys and GR for augments that the bot has been doing for 18 hours
In the end the botter is going to have an insane amount of chances well beyond a non botter to run for the LB because the bot is doing most of the work
And in the end Bots are still going to be run which you admitted to
So in actual fact you haven’t solved the botting problem because the bots are still there. still giving the botter an unfair advantage over a non botter
This proves you are full of it
There hasn’t been any ban waves for ages so in actual fact there is no banning for bots that they do now
Where’s the solution to stop bots from running bounties on their own over split bounties
Where’s the solution to stop bots from collecting keys to run rifts
Where’s the solution to stop bots from picking up equipment
Where’s the solution to stop the levelling of gems
That is a ton of profit over an 19 hour period that the bot has played and the non botter hasn’t played
How is the non botter going to get those 19 hours of play added that the botter did for nothing and everything they got out of it
There is more to getting to the top of the LB than just Paragon points
And limiting Paragons isn’t going to do it
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I have been trying to tell you this. You cannot stop grinding at some point in D3 because the genre of the game is hack and slash which have to have infinite grinding. If it wasnot hack and slash you absolutely were right. But thats how it has to be. If you are going to suggest a system, it must be infinite.
I remember you said my way takes a lot of time on devs. You are right but that was the only way i could find that grants infinite grinding but still restrictive on over doing it.
Also wrace you are great guy reading and answering everything.
By the way i just thought of a way to prevent everyone from botting. Do not bann botters till the end of the season just write their names and wait. Last week of the season just ban them all. That way blizzard doesnot show his hand untill its too late. The botters will surely lose and bot proggrammer will not have any idea how it is being detected untill end of the season when he figures it out it is too late. This would be a Tactical retreat straight out of Art of War
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The thing is when they used to do a ban wave it was always at the end of season anyway
I said already:
Further:
No cutting, just limitation for using amount of them in season. In non-season they can use all their 10k+ points of paragon.
Yeah, it will decrease their efficiency in 10 times. They still can use them if they want. This problem will be one of devs and other players. But my purpose - decreasing their efficiency - I did.
Top-players said that it is not problem now (due to last patches), so I do not spend my time on solving the problem which does not exist at all.
It is also not problem. Top-players suggested this fact.
Suggest your way if you can. If you can’t, just leave this thread.
I am solving the problem with them according to rankings - i.e. with the extra profit (paragon) that can be provided by bots. Solution of the problem with their existing in the game is the purpose of devs according their EULA. Using the bots to simplify life of botters is not problem for me - this problem can be tried to solve by ones for whom there is such problem. I am solving only problems that can affect another players, no more.
This and other additional problems you can solve by yourself. It is not problem for top-players to obtain good ancient items, gems and other things during season, so they do not have problems you discussing in the case of rankings.
There was ban wave in the current season some time ago.
Provide by yourself. 
We discussed something like already on our sub-forum.
Say, let we increase this limitation up to 10k - we still have limitation, but really we do not have it at all because of limited time of season and impossibility to reach such value diring it. Hence we can decrease such value from 10k to some value which will be preferable for the most of top players - i.e. for the value that they really farm during the season, so no limitations for them at all. That’s all. Very simple logic.
Thanks. I just think that it is better to do something than to do nothing.
Nice suggestion. Though there is one moment - botters will be on the top of rankings during all season. This can be enough for them. So the best way to fight with them in my opinion - to give them ban everytime when one of them will affect rankings for that they can’t have advantage for any long enough period of time. But - as you understand - it is impossible with our devs. So we can try to find another way (simplest way, of course, - for understanding and realization of it) or we can do nothing asking devs about ban waves that they will provide when they want. Also very simple.
I endorse the OP and their ideas to cap paragon.
I too agree with the discussions about banning cheaters as a higher priority.
If the cheaters were constantly banned, we wouldn’t have to worry about paragon level caps.
If only they could get a grasp on the cheating situation, then we could enjoy fair competition once again.
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Another way is to limit playtime only in seasons to 42 hours per week. What this does is also make it easier to detect.
- Each player can theoretically play 6 hours per day or up to 42 hours cumulative.
- Average Joe and Jane cannot stay awake without reflexes and coordination starting to falter after 36 hours without sleep. This means anyone doing this consistently has either a shared account or is botting. Both are against the TOS.
- The botters are also placed in a position where they cannot do better than the best players who do not cheat with this limitation.
- Additionally, the actual power and real abilities of builds are more transparent for Developers to see what needs buffing etc…because the botters cannot do any better than the best non-cheater with limited time-frames.
- After the 42 hours are used they have to wait 126 hours before they can play season again. This is acceptable to many players because they can play 6 hours per day and will never be denied access.
This will not necessarily guarantee botter detection or necessarily stop someone writing a timer script that works in 6 hour chunks. It will make it obvious who is not smart enough to avoid using a shared account or use botting that perpetually tries to login after the 42 hours have expired.
You could take it up to 56 hours (8 hours per day), but any more than that will do nothing to curb the botting.
EDIT: This also caters for people with a job whether shifts or full-time. 8hrs work + travelling + meals+ 8rs gameplay leaves little left for sleep. Some can do it 2-3 days in a row, but not perpetually. They can therefore binge on weekends if desired.
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That might be enough for them in the short run but we will have it on the long term which is what i am intereseted in. Right now it is really hard for me to have either.
I didnt know shared account was against TOS. They must ban every one in the LB because i have seen some big numbers on play times.
You are right limitting the time could solve it. 42 hours is really realy low so you might think about 90 hours a week or something like that. because i can play about 60 hours and work in the mean time (weekends). You gotta give it for those in vacation and jobless and streamers. These are also players you know. The fact is Raxxanterax play time could be based upon for this idea.
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And yet botting and playing 24/7 is going to negate that efficientcy when compared to someone playing 18 hours a day
And efficiency isn’t the issue, it’s your title
You still have bots in game so not solving the bot issue because they are still there
I did you won’t accept it
I said the only way to solve the botting issue is
And Top Players know about the bot problem and seeing as most “top” players are the botters what do you expect
I also saw a video by a streamer getting banned while playing, got upset about it because he hadn’t been botting that season, and that was one of your top players
Read your Title Solving the problem with bots in season
You cut power which means nothing over the grand scheme of things and yet your way you still have rampant botting
That wasn’t for botting that was for the exploit that was being used to get to the top of the ladder
So are you saying cheating like that is all good and fine
But you’re the one claiming to have solved the botting problem, not me, and you haven’t found a solution to botting because they will still be running rampant
And I am just showing you haven’t solved the botting problem at all
There is no perfect solution but after years of seeing people complain about how unfair it is on regular players, this levels the playing field at the very least so that whether someone bots or not, the scores are fairly similar, not drastically different.
As for shared accounts, yes it is totally against their terms of service.
People do it as you said, but it’s still a banning offence ( a lesser as they allow for one-off ignorance).
I rarely listen to what the"top players" have to say about anything. More often than not they are the problem. More often than not they account share, but, buy gold, dupe, and hack their way to the top.
In terms of D3 GR leaderboards one thing they can do is equalize paragon to 800 for everyone no matter if you have 1 or 10K. That way no one has an advantage. There is no incentive to bot or account share for paragon.
Putting limits that could effect honest players is ever good. Why should I be limited to 90hrs in a week if I’m on vacation and want to spend it playing D3 the entire 2 weeks I take in the summer and the 2 I take at winter?
Yes I agree the way you have put it is completely unfair.
While one bad apple should not spoil the whole bunch, unfortunately, in this game it is estimated that there are well over 1,000 bad apples using bots.
I am happy with whatever levels the playing field so honest players are not disadvantaged by the people that chose to cheat.
So less than 1%. Doesn’t see like an overall large problem, but I can see the frustration for non botters trying to rank. That’s why you cap and equalize paragon in GRs. The only advantage would be gear acquisition.
Nice suggestion, though I think that it is bigger limitation than I suggested. For example, I can play by myself full week by 10-12 hours in a day (and I did this in the current season), but - as you can see in my profile on EU - I can’t provide any risks for top-players, but your limitation will affect me (and other medium and casual players that can play big amount of time with muuuuch less profit than top-players) while the limitation I suggested - not.
Too cruel solution, I think.
You have bots that do not provide significant profit for botters in comparison with top and even medium players which play without bots. Because of random (in rifts, in gear) and small difference (in comparison with the difference due to random in rifts) between top gear and the gear that can be obtained by anyone for moderate time. In comparison with rifts and gear, paragon is not about random at all (while rifts and gear are still about random - i.e. about lucky or time; paragon is only about time), that’s why I solved the problem with the profit that can be obtained by botters when they used bots. After that players can have only one problem with botters - bots are automated systems that do not spend the time of botters on the game. So you need to ask you - do you want to play in this game long enough time by yourself or do you need the bot for that it will play instead of you? If you want to play by yourself - you will have no problems with botters (because they will have no profit - when we fixed the problem I described in this thread). If you want to use bot for that it plays instead of you - use it, obtain ban time by time and buy D3+RoS+necro-pack again and again. It will be your own subscription on D3 (like WoW has). No problems at all.
5 years. Devs did not solve this problem. What additional amount of years do you need for that to understand that devs will not solve this problem? 5? 10? 15? 20? 100?
While I suggested the simplest solution which will solve the problem with influence of botters on rankings.
I think that you are wrong. I think that the least number of top players are the botters. Otherwise no one from top-30 will remain after ban wave.
You said - “most tops”. It is example of one player. Do you understand the difference between the words “most” and “one”?
Instead of title there is also first post of thread + I already refined what exactly I solved in this thread.
But for you I need to explain evident things time by time.
Water. I cut nothing. Your other things are not important at all.
and for botting too. Search in this forum in help.
Cheating is good and fine for ones who want to use it. It is their choice and only their (it is not the choice of other players). But only in single-player games. I like and fully share the position of Valve on Steam according to cheating - anyone can do anything that want in single player games (even with achievements), but for cheating in multiplayer games (where such players will affect another players) Valve gives them VAC-ban.
D3 on PC is the single player game with the forced online and additional crutches for multiplayer like groups and rankings. Even for ones who play only and always solo. Moreover, players like I have big enough knowledge in programming and disassembling to modify any game like we want and I did this already for all games I like to play. For example, in XCom: Enemy Within I played 1k+ hours when I tested my mods. I created them after that I finished this game 5 times on different difficulties to obtain ALL achievements WITHOUT using any mods. I spend for this about 180 hours. And I spend 1k+ hours for playing in this game with my mods (testing and balancing them, adding or removing new or old my features) + I spend additional time for creating such mods and for creating the script for their integrating by one click. But, anyway, I did all these features much faster than devs of D3 or other games + without many years of waiting for new features (often with no luck) + without spending my time on disputes with other players - because I created the features only for myself and played with them also only I (though time by time I can share my mods for other players too).
I solved it already. You provided the things that are not problems at all - i.e. they are only your problems (and ones like you) so you can solve them by yourself. 
Equalizing the main reason botters have an advantage and making everyone on a level playing field for competition is too cruel? But telling somone you played too much this wee and locking them out of the game isn’t?
I hope you are joking. No one can be that dense.
Paragon = 800 is small even for me, because I use additional points of it above 800 to remove HP from the gear at all. Top players use their paragon also for increasing their defence (in addition to damage). That’s why I did not suggest such low value as limit of paragon. Also as I did not suggest another idea I saw - to provide 1 point of main stat and vitality instead of 5. This thread is about such limitation that will be no limitation at all for the most of top players - i.e. exactly such value they will farm in season. Only bots will farm more value of paragon for that to have advantage in rankings.
Moreover, I know one streamer that organized their own tournaments with the real money reward ($500, as I remember, or may be reward bigger now) with the limitation on paragon (no more than 1k) and even with additional limitation - gear without improving it by legendary gems using one recipe of the Cube (I just do not know how the name of this recipe can be written on English).
I am not sure there will be any one-size-fits-all, but I think many people are open to anything reasonable that works.
As for any player with over 5000-paragons already, they may well be legitmate players that play D3 non-stop, though that does seem a little OTT. Assuming nothing, it makes sense that if they knew exactly every person that was botting, they would no longer be in the game.
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There is nothing to solve, it is a matter of people actually doing their job
The only problem with that is they have to do a ban wave
again the banners not doing their jobs, probably because the Diablo LB is considered a joke compared to the actual leagues they have for the rest of their games
I read the Blizzard post about it and they were sorting the exploit out and banning those that were using it, just because the ones that were using the exploit were also botters that’s just a side effect of what the ban was actually for
And most tops are
so you want me to add hundreds of examples
their is also the famous Brothercriss
How about you post it all here like you expect me to post all the videos of people that got banned and because I supplied only one and you say that is only one and not most and you can’t be bothered doing a search yourself
So I will take a leaf out of your book and say you haven’t presented any proof to this post so it mustn’t exist and telling me to go search for it isn’t proof, you need to supply it all like you expect me to supply all the players getting banned and won’t go searching yourself
They do not do their job (as players want) during 5 years already and nothing tell that they will do their job someday. And your words above mean really nothing for them.
Yes, of course. Otherwise you can’t say (because you just do not know) what exact amount of top players using bots.
Usually, I do not provide words that I can’t confirm.
Moreover, you already found the appropriate place and you argument is the same as early - “devs did not say that they banned botters too, so they did not give ban them specially”. May be you just ask them directly instead of talking by them?