Streamer banned for botting, already 3.5k paragon

Lol you do not get convicted in civil law, there is no big government against small man but in theory two equal sides, you either win or lose your case based on the arguments and trust me or not, you will have to come with very strong arguments in a civil case after Blizz proved you played for 21.5 hours a day for 3 months in a row for a judge to even consider overturning that ban. Playing that amount of time is not humanly possible, without serious drawback, even your average what they used to call bipolar would have had a serious down period in that time.

Then stop defending a completely illogical case as if it were only logical, 99.999% of those cases are cheaters or botters.

Do you know for a fact that the person in question did that? This thread is full of ways that his playtime could possibly be that way. You’re hooked on only 1 of the M A N Y possibilities.

I’m not defending the case. That’s a different position. My position is “You think so?
Prove it” Just because a judge wants someone to prove that Joe Blow committed that horrible crime does not mean the judge thinks the crime is cool to do.

And 99.999%? Source?

Simple the time and you keep hammering on proof. YOU DO NOT NEED PROOF in civil cases, just a reasonable argument, get that through your head. I have seen no reasonable argument here yet that would allow someone to play that amount of time for so long. I think that the 99.99999% is still too low and you can freely assume 100% are cheaters or botters with those amount or hours. There are no other good plausible alternatives even if you would only need 2 hours of sleep and never shower.

Evden 16 hours a day for so long would be a real stretch for a human, but just believable they could if self harming.

Blizzard aint social service. What else?
Ban ppl who got bad grades in school? They are banning ppl for cheating and botting when they have proof.

Jumping conclusion based on emotions is witch hunting. U cant treat none proof as proof just because u feel like it.

Obv they could look further into the matter if they feel something is up.

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This isn’t criminal or civil. And no court, regardless of type, will punish someone simply on a hunch. “Get that through your head”. I mean, really, was that necessary?

In your opinion. Others disagree.

Oh you think? So that statistic was totally made up? That doesn’t really help your credibility…

You’ve been given several. You just choose not to acknowledge because you do not personally like them.

That lady should have shut her mouth. The robot was stealing the purse!

They are a company selling a service, does not mean they have no obligations to their players or society. Always surprises me that answer, especially if the company prides itself as leading responsible, you know companies are more as just money-making machines and do have obligations beyond that, some even put into law even if your Us laws are way more lax as most European laws?

You really think the bipolar or parent/child holds up as reasonable for 90 days at those hours, my friend you are delusional.

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Your personal opinion of me is irrelevant in this but thank you for the discussion. I hope you have a great rest of your day.

There is also a ToS. Its a agreement and u paid for a product. They have no responsible for ppls health or addictions. Maybe u want them to care. But in the end thats not how things works and your emotions means nothing.

Again u telling me blizzard should ban ppl for like having bad grades in school? Stop being silly.

Same to you, just I kinda know you have little experience with parenting or bipolar people, or you would never make those claims. :stuck_out_tongue:

We often agree to the point that people say we are alts (wich seems a pattern of others accusing others on the forum when people agree). But in this case i think its more like finding your wife naked with the neighbour, sure there can be reasons like neighbour was freezing and needed skin to skin warmup, or he tripped and his pants fell off, but likelyhood is very low. Everyone is free to report on suspicions, thats what the email hack team is for, blizz will investigate and people wont always get their way. I also think its all up in blizz hands and i dont care that much anyway.

21.5 hours a day for 3 months of constant playing the game is a bit more as bad grades. That you would have maybe with 16 hours a day. 21.5 is serious health danger.

Whatever helps you sleep at night, my friend. We can agree to disagree. Don’t have to like it but it is what it is. Stay safe and enjoy the beautiful fall weather!

Hi RNA. You can’t change his goalposts for him to fit your narrative. What he said was correct and people have done it.

Absolutely correct, 100%! They just need to be cautious as “those guys” who report anything they personally feel is out of the ordinary can lead to account action for abuse of reporting. But yes, it is ultimately up to Blizzard on what they want to do. The person could be 100% innocent and they can choose to perma-ban them. They’ve done it before!

We discussing about if its possible. I stated its possible to have high gametime without cheating. U can believe its rather unlikely which is fine. But u cant say its the only possibility that they are cheating.

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They’ve flat-out said “it’s the most likely” which is fine though their opinion only. But doing the “Come on… you KNOW they’re cheating” isn’t flying. No, I don’t “know” they are and neither do you. You’re guessing.

Yes and your wife and neigbour naked in bed can also have several different reasons then cheating.
I’m not accusing anyone of 100% chance of cheating in this game tho ( i also wont report anyone as i dont care that much) but i also wont defend these 22h+ players. But there is something to say for either side, its not forbidden to use email.

That isn’t what he said. That’s what YOU said. You moved his goalposts to fit your narriative. Naughty boy!

That’s your opinion. Call it defending… but you can’t condemn someone simply on a hunch alone. I’m sure some or many of them are, in fact, cheating… but neither you nor I can prove it. All we can do is report… in moderation.

Or you just forget. Granted, in D3 it requires you to take specific steps, but saw a friend of mine playing a LOT of settlers recently on steam, currently he sits at 750 hours+. Asked him if it was a good game and he “I don’t really know, I just started”. He tabbed out within 5 minutes, forgot he had it running and left it running for a month.

U mixing things up.

So we agree. As thats my point

Im not defending anyone. Im saying that high gametime doesnt mean that someone must be cheating.

U have to understand the difference between evidence and proof. Lets take your example.

Evidence 1: Your wife naked
Evidence 2: Neighbour naked
Evidence 3: In bed together

Now compare it to high game time:
Evidence 1: High gametime
Evidence 2: none
Evidence 3: none

Your wife naked = proof? She must be cheating or could she be naked because of other reasons?

Vs

High game time= proof? Can ppl have high gametime without cheating?

Tunnelvision view: Wife naked = your wife is cheating or High gametime = botting.

Lets change it up to make it clear. Lets pretend we have more information

Evidence 1: High gametime
Evidence 2: paragon 200 after 3 months
Evidence 3: no bounties during 3 months

Would your conclusion be that the person above is botting? If not that means u not treating gametime as proof. (Which my point is that u should not)

Now compare this to proof

U caught your wife doing it with your neighbour = proof

Person seen botting = proof

My statement is that gametime /= proof. And therefor im against banning based on gametime.

We agree on most of it, some specifics not.

Like this we can agree, because its not up to us anyway (and a good thing its not up to the community)