I think i’ll play something else than D4 then. Theres offline single player games out there… sadly none of them in the diablo universe but meh…
Vampires Bloodlines 2 could be cool.
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As long as you’re ahead in the pointless race, you win. And thats what its all about really isn’t it. Winning. Right?
Its not even about the topic anymore.
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Macs made a major change to graphics or something years ago so Blizz could not do OW on that platform. It was not up to spec.
I don’t know if D4 will have as strict of requirements, or if Macs will still be so far behind.
If they fix the graphics issues I am sure Blizz would love to include them. If not, no.
Linux. No. They have never supported it officially and I don’t expect them to.
Mod support and just player created content in general. Also a better environment for challenge runs and speed running.
Also, there’s no real downsides to offline play. Offline play is not a method of anti-cheat, it’s a method of DRM. Cheating only comes into play if you’re allowed to transfer characters from offline to online, and that I am fully against.
A great example of this is D2. You can mod the hell out of D2 in single player, but you can’t in Bnet play. If you make a single player character, it stays in single player.
And before someone brings up that D2 has duping, none of that is a result of offline play, but rather exploits within the game itself.
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Offline mode opens the doors to people doing things more than it would if there wasn’t offline mode. The most secure code is the kind you can’t get access to.
Some may use pirated copies as a form of “test driving” the game, but that puts the company’s product completely at the mercy of the player’s intentions. Knowing that they then could just keep playing the pirated copy rather than purchase the game, they could very well do just that, and then the company has lost the sale.
Plus, in today’s world with YouTube Let’s Plays and Twitch live streaming, you can absolutely see how a game is before paying for it, so the pirating for test drive argument loses traction in that regard. Plus, I’m pretty sure pirating anything is still illegal. I have a family member who had their internet service pulled for downloading tons of movies illegally.
This might be true for other companies in the industry, but this is Blizzard we are talking about. First of all, they aren’t going anywhere anytime soon. Secondly, Diablo 2 has yet to shut down after nearly 20 years, and Blizzard has yet to give us a reason to think they would ever pull the plug. In your previous point you mentioned “fear-mongering”, yet this is exactly what you’re doing with this point. You are perpetuating the idea that any day they could pull the plug, but they have yet to do that. Outside of any major catastrophe, I really don’t see any reason to feed into this idea.
Also, you misspoke slightly. You said “Multiplayer option is good to have, but forcing it in an otherwise solo experience is bad”. They are not forcing multiplayer. They are requiring an internet connection to play the game, yes. But multiplayer does not equal internet connection. The developers did say you can play the entire game solo, aka not with other people, therefore not “multiplayer”. But you still need an internet connection to play. But I will assume you meant that, but still just wanted to point that out.
Okay, this always drives me crazy. Blizzard never intended for any Diablo game to have mods and so far that seems to be the case with Diablo 4. The only reason mods exist for Diablo 2 is because of access to the code. If they wanted to give you the ability to change the game, they would give the community official tools to do so. That’s what other developers do, they provide modding tools. Blizzard has never done that with any Diablo game, so it’s safe to assume they don’t want people doing that. Somehow, people have this idea that Diablo 2 has “mod support” just because mods exist. No, Blizzard never intended that. I also think you are making assumptions about why Blizzard won’t allow mods, unless you have some insider information.
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Everyones allowed to hope mate. But this doesnt mean you SPAM the forums with multiple topics just cause you DONT like the response Blizzard has ALREADY given
That was my first ever post… I wouldn’t call that Spam Keyblade.
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And I don’t see it as being multiple topics when I’m just being verbose about his original post.
The above is a major reason why I’ve been advocating for official Linux support in the form of 64-bit PC Linux game clients.
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Looks like you will be missing out then as the Mainstream Consumer Market usings Windows and to a lesser degreee MacOS . So no D4 for you apparently
It also flies in the face of any other form of physical exchange. If I buy a car, I’m free to paint it, change its sound system, give it new tires, supe up the engine, and then some. I could even buy it for the express purpose of wrapping it around a tree. What happens after the fact is no damn business of the manufacturer or vendor, but the tech industry has somehow convinced itself that it should be above this caveat through lawyer-speak like “leasing” despite the reality that tweaking and duplicating 0’s and 1’s is far easier than, in this case, making/tweaking a car.
It’s further undeniable that games of this nature can suddenly cease to function through no fault of the player, be it temporarily or permanently. Frankly, no one has issue with a host having their own specific sandbox bound by their own rules and expectations. The problem for the consumer again lies in their sandbox being the only choice to play, period. Chicken littling that some people might do some bad things does not automatically make it so, just as nothing you’ve said conveys an understanding that it can be prevented. An offline mode can safely exist, you just can’t half-butt code.
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Answers can be changed. If something is wanted it will be requested until the end of time. It will not stop. No matter what the devs say, or what other people here say. Its called being passionate about what you love.
So let them ask. Its not hurting anyone. Its not like you have to read the thread and get triggered by it.
Either way no matter what happens (if it gets off line or not, if it is a d3 clone or not, if its a WoW knock off or not) people will buy the game. How many buy the game will determine if the company listens.
Wish there was a mute feature for keywords:
example:
“. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .”
between the quotes was this: ‘Please support Offline mode’.
Thanks Shivan. A simple way to stop the demand is to satisfy it. Put off-line mode into the feature set. Make PC Linux and Mac clients a priority and build the game as multi-platform game from the start. Let’s get the widest player audience included for D4.
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Well you will not be able to stop the demand for illegal drugs by satisfying it.
You cannot stop the demand for things that are NOT going to happen by attempting to satisfying it!
Blizzard made it very, very clear they are never going to ever have an offline mode for their big games like Diablo III & IV!
I’d say by the time Blizzard releases Diablo VII, D3 will have an offline mode so they can ditch the server to save cost.
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Isn’t this another online-only vs offline mode thread? Where are the usual critics of topic redundancy? Is it because this thread is posted by the a member of the online-only camp that these groups have turned silent? I guess breaking forum guidelines is ok if its THEIR opinion being broadcasted.
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This comparison is a bit flawed, since physical possessions and software are very different in terms of ownership, but I’ll try to explain it using your example.
Yes, you own the car you bought in your example, but you don’t own the code under the hood of that game you bought, Blizzard does. Therefore you have no legal right to modify it without the developer’s permission. You do however own a license to play that game, so long as you continue to abide by the rules laid out in the EULA, and it can be revoked if you are caught doing something you agreed not to do in said EULA - such as altering game files.
So to try and explain things using your example, the government can revoke your Driver’s license if you are caught violating a traffic law. Just the same, Blizzard can revoke your game license if you are caught violating the EULA, which prohibits modifying game files.
So, from a legal standpoint, you have no right to modify Diablo as per the EULA, and you must agree to this to play their games, thus binding you to it.
FYI, here is the source, taken from Blizzard End User License Agreement - Legal – Blizzard Entertainment
License Limitations. Blizzard may suspend or revoke your license to use the Platform, or parts, components and/or single features thereof, if you violate, or assist others in violating, the license limitations set forth below. You agree that you will not, in whole or in part or under any circumstances, do the following:
- Derivative Works: Copy or reproduce (except as provided in Section 1.B.), translate, reverse engineer, derive source code from, modify, disassemble, decompile, or create derivative works based on or related to the Platform.
- Cheating: Create, use, offer, promote, advertise, make available and/or distribute the following or assist therein:
- cheats; i.e. methods not expressly authorized by Blizzard, influencing and/or facilitating the gameplay, including exploits of any in-game bugs, and thereby granting you and/or any other user an advantage over other players not using such methods;
- bots; i.e. any code and/or software, not expressly authorized by Blizzard, that allows the automated control of a Game, or any other feature of the Platform, e.g. the automated control of a character in a Game;
- hacks; i.e. accessing or modifying the software of the Platform in any manner not expressly authorized by Blizzard; and/or
- any code and/or software, not expressly authorized by Blizzard, that can be used in connection with the Platform and/or any component or feature thereof which changes and/or facilitates the gameplay or other functionality;
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This is not as set in stone as you’re making it out to be.
There is no legal grounds for Blizzard to be able to take away your copy of a game because you modded it. They can ban you from the servers, but they can’t delete files on your computer or come to your house and repossess your physical copy for doing it.
It’s also worth noting that just because a EULA says something, doesn’t really let it override basic laws that says Blizzard can’t take control of your computer or take your physical stuff.
All they can do is terminate their end of the contract(ie giving you server access to download/play the game).
Plenty of publishers want to frame things like we don’t actually have any rights with our software, but that is a falsehood.
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Please tell me where I said Blizzard is able to take away your physical copy of the game or delete files on your computer. Hint: I didn’t.
I said that you have a license to play the game, and they (Blizzard) can revoke that license, as in, suspend/ban your account.
And what I’m saying is just what Blizzard has laid out in the EULA, which everyone agrees to.
If you don’t agree to it, then don’t play their games. There are plenty of other games that DO offer mods. If you want to mod games so badly, go play those.
Blizzard titles do not allow it.