PTR still lacks changes to solo / duo vs trio / quad group experience. In order to be competitive on the SOLO or DUO leaderboards you are FORCED to group play as 4 to not fall behind in Paragons, which at the higher GR levels the high paragon levels is what gives you the EHP/Damage to get through clears faster and/or higher.
You as the dev team have already shared your opinion on not having a SSF leaderboard, so the best option to bring some balance to those that ONLY play solo or duo and would like to compete on the SOLO or duo leader boards, is to make the XP a flat amount whether you are in a solo group or a 4 player group.
This still leaves plenty of incentive to group play for slightly faster clears & gem ups with group synergy, but still allows solo/duo players to be competitive in their own leaderboards.
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As always, the biggest problem blizzard runs into when buffing solo xp is that it makes botting even better. Currently, the biggest benefit of botting is having infinite materials and keys so you can spend all of your active game time pushing and grinding paragon. The amount of experience you gain from letting the bot run solo GRs all night is not nearly as much as you get from doing group XP metas all day. If solo speed xp is just as viable as group speeds, then the botters will have an even bigger advantage.
That’s why there is a ban wave every season. Your excuse for blizzard to not fix experience because of botting is invalid and unacceptable. That’s why there are systems in place to detect this type of activity and removal in the wave.
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If solo can clear GR100 at 4 minutes and the group can clear GR110 or GR120 at 4 minutes, they already outclassing solo players’s exp gain by double or possible triple or more in GR120 and above.
If you actually paying attention to the leaderboard, you will know that group XP is not the reason why solo can’t catch up with the group when it comes to paragon leveling but it is solo inability to clear higher GR on his own.
This is taken from non-seasonal leaderboard
Solo player needs at least 10k+ paragon to clear GR150 within 14 minutes+
2 players team with 6.4k and 5.9k paragon cleared GR148 within 13 minutes.
3 players team with 4.1k, 4.2k, and 5.1k paragon cleared GR150 within 14 minutes
and finally, 4 players team with 4.9k, 5.5k, 1.3k. and 6.4k paragon cleared GR150 within 12:51 minutes.
Based on the result, do you seriously think a solo player with a 5k paragon can clear GR140 and above alone? Those 5k players that actually grouping can clear GR140+ for massive experiences while the solo 5k paragon most likely will camp at GR130+ at best. In fact, maybe even 4 players with P800 probably can run GR110 easily while solo P800 probably struggling with GR95~GR100.
Instead of asking for the removal of group XP, you should ask for more power creep so the solo player can actually clear GR140+ without having an insane amount of paragon level.
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How does that even make sense. Since they put the game on sale all the time, botters could just buy four accounts and bot that way. What I actually think should be done is give at least double the xp for solo vs 4 man. If you look at how fast 4 man groups clear 150 vs solo, you can see that even if they get half the xp they would still be getting double the xp of solo players. Blizzard needs to recognize not everybody wants to hassle with a group. Even when playing with friends you still run into stalls due to pets, dinner, girl/boyfriends, etc… And even if you start a guild, often times people show up at first then stop. So why punish people for wanting to play what is most efficient for them.
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you need a specialised grp for it to be more effective by a lot (rathmas, dh speedmeta, etc)
if you buff soloplay or nerf grpplay, more casual groups would suffer a lot, since your xp gain be bad compared to playing solo.
Even if you dont have 2k paragon you can get somewhere in top100-150 with your class through fishing an playing well. why would they destroy groupplay for a few hundred people? the big majority plays season for 2-4 weeks and most ppl i know prefer playing with friends… i know how you feel, its really frustrating to farm paragon solo but i just dont like the alternative…