Soul Shard boss drop mechanics - my findings

This isn’t feedback, but I’m posting it here in case it’s of interest to anyone.

I noticed that certain bosses seemed to be dropping certain shards, so I set about testing that.

I did 5 full runs of all 17 bosses in Adventure More, plus one full run of Campaign. I uncovered a couple of patterns.

First, I didn’t have a single soul shard drop in Campaign, so I think it’s safe to say that (at least right now) they are only dropping in Adventure Mode.

Next, bosses from certain acts dropped specific shards consistently.

Act 1 bosses = Anguish
Act 2 bosses (excluding Vidian?) = Lies
Act 3 bosses = Sin, Destruction
Act 4 bosses = Terror, Pain
Act 5 bosses = Hatred

So it looks like you can target farm any shard you want by focusing on a specific act and farming bosses there.

Act Boss Run 1 (T1) Run 2 (T1) Run 3 (T16) Run 4 (T16) Run 5 (Normal)
1 Skeleton King Anguish Anguish Anguish Anguish Anguish
1 Queen Araneae Anguish, Anguish Anguish Anguish Anguish Anguish, Sin
1 Butcher Anguish Anguish Anguish Anguish Anguish
2 Maghda Lies Lies Lies Lies Lies
2 Kulle Lies Lies Lies, Sin Lies Lies
2 Belial Lies Lies Lies Lies Lies
2 Vidian (none) (none) (none) (none) (none)
3 Ghom (none) (none) Sin, Destruction (none) Sin, Destruction
3 Siegebreaker Sin, Destruction Sin, Destruction Sin, Destruction Sin, Destruction Sin, Destruction
3 Cydaea (none) Sin, Destruction (none) Sin, Destruction (none)
3 Azmodan Sin, Destruction (none) (none) (none) Sin, Destruction
4 Rakanoth Terror, Pain Terror, Pain (none) (none) Terror, Pain
4 Izual (none) (none) (none) (none) (none)
4 Diablo Terror, Pain (none) Terror, Pain, Pain (none) (none)
5 Urzael Hatred Hatred Hatred Hatred Hatred
5 Adria Hatred Hatred Hatred Hatred Hatred
5 Malthael Hatred Hatred Hatred Hatred Hatred

Vidian and Izual didn’t drop any shards on those first 5 runs, so I also did 5 extra runs each for those bosses. Vidian still didn’t drop any shards over the extra runs, but Izual finally dropped a Terror + Pain combo (as expected for an Act 4 boss) on the 10th run.

There were 4 instances (out of 80) of bosses seemingly dropping an extra shard. Araneae run 1 with Anguish + Anguish, Araneae run 5 with Anguish + Sin, Kulle run 3 with Lies + Sin, and Diablo run 4 with Terror + Pain + Pain. My guess here is that bosses have a high chance to drop their act specific drops, then a lower chance to drop another random shard.

Something else interesting I noticed was that Acts 1, 2, and 5 bosses always dropped a shard (at least over my 5 runs). Acts 3 and 4 bosses seemed to only drop shards about half the time, but drop 2 when they do.

I also don’t see any obvious trend of higher drop rates on higher difficulties. The bosses still dropped plenty of shards on Normal. This would take more a bunch more runs to confirm though.


EDIT Sunday Nov 7

I did another 5 runs, this time on a low level character on Normal difficulty.

Conclusions: the same trends seem to hold regardless of level.

(level at time of kill in brackets)

Act Boss Low Run 1 Low Run 2 Low Run 3 Low Run 4 Low Run 5
1 Skeleton King Anguish (1) Anguish (11) Anguish (35) Anguish (44) Anguish (50)
1 Queen Araneae Anguish (3) Anguish (13) Anguish (36) Anguish (44) Anguish (50)
1 Butcher Anguish (6) Anguish (16) Anguish, Anguish (37) Anguish (44) Anguish, Lies (50)
2 Maghda Lies (7) Lies (17) Lies (37) Lies (44) Lies (50)
2 Kulle Lies (6) Lies (17) Lies (37) Lies (44) Lies (51)
2 Belial Lies (9) Lies (18) Lies (37) Lies (45) Lies (51)
2 Vidian none (8) none (22) none (38) none (45) none (51)
3 Ghom none (1) Sin, Destruction (22) none (38) Sin, Destruction (46) Sin, Destruction (51)
3 Siegebreaker Sin, Destruction (1) none (24) none (39) none (46) none (52)
3 Cydaea Sin, Destruction (4) none (25) Sin, Destruction, Anguish (39) none (46) none (52)
3 Azmodan Sin, Destruction (3) none (26) none (39) none (46) none (52)
4 Rakanoth Terror, Pain (1) Anguish (27) none (39) Terror (46) none (52)
4 Izual Terror, Pain (5) none (28) Terror, Pain (40) none (47) Terror, Pain (53)
4 Diablo none (6) Pain (30) Terror, Pain (40) Terror, Pain (47) Terror, Pain, Pain (53)
5 Urzael Hatred (5) Hatred, Lies (33) Hatred (41) Hatred (48) Hatred (54)
5 Adria Hatred (3) Hatred (32) Hatred (42) Hatred (48) Hatred (55)
5 Malthael Hatred (8) Hatred (34) Hatred (43) Hatred (49) Hatred (55)

I got a few singleton drops in Acts 3 and 4 this time, without the standard double drop.

At this point, I think there’s two separate drops: the first is the special act-specific drop, which a guaranteed specific shard in acts 1/2/5 or a chance for a pair of specific shards in acts 3/4.

Then there’s a separate lower chance for any random shard on top of the special drops. This is an independent drop roll, so in acts 3/4 you roll on a relatively high chance for the pair of shards then roll on a lower chance for the random shard. So you can either get 0 shards (both rolls fail), 1 random shard (special roll fails, random roll succeeds), 2 specific shards (special roll succeeds, random roll fails), or 2 specific shards + 1 random shard (both rolls succeed).

Omitting what I believe to be the separate lower drop chance of a random shard, the pooled overall “special” drop results:

Boss Act Special Drop
Skeleton King 10/10
Queen Araneae 10/10
Butcher 10/10
Maghda 10/10
Kulle 10/10
Belial 10/10
Vidian 0/15
Ghom 5/10
Siegebreaker 6/10
Cydaea 4/10
Azmodan 3/10
Rakanoth 4/10
Izual 4/15
Diablo 5/10
Urzael 10/10
Adria 10/10
Malthael 10/10

And for the random drops, I counted 12 instances that I believe were the extra random drop instead of the act-specific special drop. Out of 180 total boss kills.

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I got Anuish and Lies in campaign from random elites.

Interesting. So maybe it’s just the campaign bosses that don’t get the special drop chance? I wonder if that’s a bug.

Good question, i had little time to test, so im not even done whit act1.

So shouldn’t this also mean Ubers follow this same pattern? Oh my a reason to farm them again…imagine.

Anyway awesome find, again basically bringing D2 loot system back into D3. So target loot farming wasn’t so bad afterall eh? Note that and please remember this for D4!

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Probably, but the drop rate for the sards are pretty high so i don’t think it matters if you farm them or not. You’ll probably get a bunch of shards before you get to the ubers. Unless the embers drop rate would be higher on them, then it would be more meaningfull.

Good question!

I just did two rounds of ubers and didn’t get a single soul shard drop. So apparently they don’t follow the same shard drop mechanics as regular bosses.

Seems like a bit of a missed opportunity honestly, would have been cool to tie in the shards with ubers somehow.

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I updated the first post with another 5 full boss runs, this time at a low level. The same trends appear to hold at low level.

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Thanks for the tests, definitely a missed opportunity. No love for Ubers ever it seems!

Good news - I’ll have a reason to hunt down Ghom. That’ll make my lady happy. Err, no. She likes him and finds him cute.