You are wasting your time with these people, they are delusional.
I think some are a little misguided. I understand people like to have conversations but when you can tell someone has copied/pasted something off the first site in their search query without actually understanding what they copied even means, it’s a little odd.
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I take greater issue with long and meandering philosophical diatribes that clearly come from a place devoid of real experience or departure from an psuedo-academic echo chamber.
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I like you. I wanna buy you some Egg Nog.
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What you wrote made me laugh.
I do not defend Communism, you need to break away that way of thinking.
Marx may be the co author of that, but his work was much broader than you would imagine.
When I say that several fields of science became separate schools I mean literally that. Socio economics is one of those.
When I used the generic term scientists it is because of that. In various scientific papers, books etc. of different specialities you very often find references to Marx. Both to argue för or against.
It is kind of funny how some of you in the US react to these matters. Did you notice that the posters from EU is more relaxed about it.
I don’t find it weird though, Macarthur was mentioned.
Peace out.
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Still seems quite fine to me. Jobs created in Malaysia are still jobs created.
Most talk about jobs moving away is nationalist nonsense imo. In US, and elsewhere, those people cry about industry jobs having moved to Asia. But US still have relatively low unemployment rates, despite decades of immense failure in reskilling workers.
Globalization and outsourcing are scapegoats.
Unions are always fine, and they work just fine in industries that could be outsourced. Unions like that exists and work fine on a daily basis.
Sure, but they have to be careful making demands with or without a union. The union is not an issue there, quite the opposite. Heck, the union can even help members make their demands more “careful”, if such a thing is needed.
Yeah, better paid jobs comes with the expectation of more value added. Still doesn’t seem like a bad thing. Great that German companies are trying to make their products stand out, adding value to justify the cost.
Life is a risk.
The benefits just greatly outweighs any risk here. Many times over.
Indeed.
Unions can help workers define that value.
With how, uh, lets call it ‘erratic’ that guy seems these days, I wouldn’t exactly count it out.
No, it directly improves my happiness as a consumer, if I bought a product made by people who were allowed to unionize.
Just like some people find value in buying food made from animals that was threated better in some way. That adds value for those customers, even if the product is the same in terms of other measures.
Someone believing in the worth of capitalism should at least understand that.
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Oh thanks Shadout you reminded me about the out sourcing. Out sourcing is a separate issue all together.
If a company thinks of outsourcing it will go through no matter if their employees are unionized or not.
Also unionizing isn’t a magic that will solve everything, that was why I very early on wished for improvements to come.
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Yeah, that is important imo.
In this thread we are seeing the same old tired arguments, where people are falling into the trap (or rather jumping in willingly in a bad faith argument) of perfection being the enemy of good.
Just because unions cant fix everything in the world, it hardly means they dont help with a ton of issues.
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They “do not to have to” but they STILL do because they CAN, often enough to be a problem.
I see you bring “nationalism” to shame other forum posters for showing the obvious, which is that bad policies drive jobs away and keep productive people idle, posting on D3 forums.
Let me tell share a special leek, just between you and me: workers NEED employers to give them jobs. The easier you make it to be an employer, the more people would be willing to engage in business and open jobs, this driving the job market up. When you hurt employers, you hurt workers, especially those to are NO LONGER workers.
If you CARE about workers and their well being, you should be against unions and as pro-free economy as you could.
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Some might, but that does not take away from all those who do not.
No, jobs moving to other countries is NOT bad policy. Heck, arguably it is the very core of capitalism.
Spoiler alert; letting companies who want to outsource, outsource, IS making it easier for them to be employers.
In general though, the idea that the easier it is to be an employer, the better, is deeply deeply flawed.
Most employers hopefully dont think like that either, they wont benefit from some wild west scenario.
Unions are free economy… sigh. Which is always the fun part when certain people bring of the “freedom” card. They tend to mean freedom for some, but not others.
Workers having the freedom to unionize and stand stronger together, that is indeed a core concept of freedom. And heck, a core concept of capitalism.
So yeah, lets have free economies, where people can freely make unions, improving BOTH the conditions for workers and employers.
I definitely also support the right of employers and companies to organize.
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Quick, someone go play the new Pokemon game and tell us it wouldn’t have benefited from more QA.
Thing is, for many of us, this is not about wishing for unions to exist and be strong. We already have those strong unions, are members of them, and can see how well they work, on a daily basis. For well over a century.
We already know exactly what we are getting, and what more and more other people are hopefully also getting.
And so are workers, and any union those workers might want to create.
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You need to be right. I get it. I have made my points for the forum to consider. Have a great day.
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That would be the scientific method, a scientist is a catchall term for anyone working in a scientific field. You really need to cut back on the nose candy.
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Please do not instruct me what to do. You bark above your station on this issue.
Europe is currently freezing and not having children. I am not interested in their view on collectivist economics.
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They should be free to unionize.
Their employeers should be free to union bust as well.
Agreed?
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Thanks!! Though anything free makes me feel like handout 
Nope. Your freedom ends the moment before you try to limit others freedom.
You have to fight, for your right… to party!
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I think every participant in this talk should post their education level, whether they own a business, and whether they are labor, within their own definition. I will start:
Lawyer/juris doctorate
Business owner.