Solo Self Found without a paragon cap is a big mistake

Dear Dev team, i appreciate your work in improving the game in interesting ways in the last seasons, but please reconsider bringing season 29 paragon cap/system to future season for SSF mode only. The regular mode can be left uncapped for less competitive people who like to grind paragon.

SSF is the way to play the game for competitive people who don’t enjoy the grind in itself but instead like the challenge of pushing higher GR on a similar footing against other players. What keeps people like me playing the game and the new season is the stride and the challenge to improve myself and my knowledge of the game, not the mindless work to see some number rise.

Without paragon cap SSF will just become a bot abuser fest (periodic ban is not enough to prevent botting as we all know, as some fraudulent account can keep botting for a significant amount of time before getting caught). If the current cap is too low maybe consider raising it to 1200 or 1600. But i still wouldn’t go too high or the cap loses it’s purpose.

I also find the points system in season 29 more interesting then the way paragon points were assigned in the previous mode. There are at least some choice to be made now. Before after some point you had just to choose if you wanted more main stat or vitality.

Thanks for your time and attention. And forgive me if my English isn’t perfect, i am not a native English speaker.

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And again, the only acceptable way to keep the paragon cap is to make it its own game mode like hardcore and SSF.

SSF players shouldn’t be punished with a paragon cap.

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Yes, total agree!!

I have other post about this too. Sad we have to argue so hard to have mode that person like you and I would like to play, specially since they already make it, and now just take it away!

If more fair leaderboard is wanted, SSF + Cap is only way that make any sense. Person who want SSF with no cap makes no sense at all, u may not have to compete with group player, but still get crushed by botter! Not any more fair. And then, why? So not forced to play in group? Already nobody force you to play in group! To play solo in group mode is not problem!

Person then say, “just ban botter, then SSF no cap can be fair”. Well yea, agree! But company fail to do good job at this for 10 year. U think they suddenly git gud at this now?

No cap group play: good for casual, regular player, and botter.

SSF no cap: “good” for confused person who don’t understand how game work.

SSF + cap: good for competitive player like us.

Is shame they make mode for confused person, not for competitive player…

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This dumb thing again…

Ok, I ask you again, since insist on “punishment”…

Why should SSF player like me and OP be “punished” with NO paragon cap?

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A penalty? Personally for me not having to mindlessly grind thousand of paragons to have a chance to compete is a blessing in disguise, not a penalty. To each his own, i guess.

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Going by your logic:

If a restaurant has chicken, you like chicken, but then they take the chicken off the menu, it’s a punishment.

Not everyone hates farming paragon and some of them want to play solo. The paragon cap removes a major feature of the game, and to most people that’s a punishment.

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Because that has been the baseline for almost a decade? And, the guy did float the idea of an opt in cap, so no need to get defensive.

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This argument make no sense at all. “Baseline”? For most of game history, did not have leaderboard for each set. Also no orek dream, no altar, no soul shard. I guess this is “baseline”, must not ever be changed, huh?! Better tell blizzard they must cancel coming season.

And for most of game history, SSF mode do not exist at all. I guess this also “baseline”, so must get rid of SSF mode completely.

Also, for most of history of Earth, D3 and Blizzard not exist. So, this “baseline”, too, better get rid of game and company all together, u better let them know they are not doing “baseline” right!

Or, maybe we say, for 100% of time that SSF mode exist so far, it have 800 paragon cap. So, you right after all: this is “baseline”, must not be changed.

For you, anything u like is “baseline”, must not be touched. For other guy, anything he not like is “punishment”, must go away!

These dishonest argument give me headache…

Paragon cap in SSF isnt a punishment.

Imagine player A: grinds 16 hrs a day

Player B: casually plays 5hrs a week

Player C: 24/7 botting.

SSF w.o cap really defeats purpose for SSF since the mode is to remove advantage from group xp/GR clear/gem advantages. Its a different ball game pushing from 150 down wards from group clear oppose to 120 on wards at up to 3 tiers skip per clear.

Cap is needed but not this low. It hurts diversity at this low and also hurts incentives for some. Realistic paragon is what kind of xp it grants from realistic SSF high level augments. 125 whisper is BASIC level, up to 150, although 140 aug is the realistic level. For increments of 800, 1600 is average, 3200 is bit high. 2400 could be optimum balancing xp vs gear optimizations. Non botter on SSF dedicated (full 150 augmented), averaged 2500 +, ofc botting on SSF ranged from 3.3k - 4.5k onwards.

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I like the capped system. My SSF guy from s29 rolled over to the general population on PTR. His build didn’t even work anymore lol. Not enough cooldown, etc. I would suggest keeping it capped and fun for SSF mode.

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With your thin skin I’m surprised you’re not curled up in a ball on the floor really.

You’ve repeatedly ignored the “opt-in” option, so really, you’re the one that seems hellbent on having it your way.

You can’t be in a group so whether it’s a cap or not it 100% fixes the issue of group advantage.

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You are missing the point, group advantage = xp edge = paragon difference, hence capping is a good idea.

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So are you. SSF was not created to make it a 100% even field, the sole purpose was to remove the group advantage. It does that.

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if your realistic paragon every season is 1800 and the cap is set at 2400, how does affect you? ofc if your realistic paragon is 1300 then setting at 800 hurts. An open cap is essentially same as unrealistic low cap for SSF. Theres no such thing as 100% even field. SSF promote as even as possible, hence a realistic cap. How does SSF differentiate from non SSF if you solely plays solo and DOES NOT group at all? Hence a capped SSF sounds more logical.

A board where you don’t compete with group players? You know, the reason the mode exist in the first place.

Group player A speeds 150s all day and has 8000 paragon, you have 2000, you can not compete.

SSF player B bots 24/7 to 8000 paragon, you still have 2000 paragon, can you compete?

What is the difference between non SSF and SSF now? Hence a lot of serious SSF players are asking for a cap.

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It removes the group players? There are far more of those than botters on the boards, but removing the major hurdle is the same as nothing to you?

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You are 1 dimensional thinking. What is the core reason to remove group advantage again? Suggest you think it over before posting again, no offense.

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No. And “no offense” is only ever used when you actually want to offend. It would require me to actually hold you in some esteem for that to work.

Paragon cap must be present in SFF (Whatever the cap).

The only thing a botter can benefit from is optimization.

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