So today, after having gotten over 1,000 bounty mats after numerous runs, mostly to enchant my various toons equipment, I decided to go after my last non-ancient for my DH. (quiver)
Needless to say, I went through ALL of them and still do not have an ancient, 200+ tries, the worst RNG I’ve EVER experienced by far.
I have never posted, so for me to do so, you know I’m a bit heated for this old fart (60+), lol. An experienced old hand at this, and I just am tired of this kind of thing, I understand there is a “give and take”, I did get a primal Yang’s for my 1st primal drop, so should I complain or not…?
There should be some kind of weighted RNG, limited RNG, something that can stop some of these seemingly insane runs of bad RNG, IMO.
The only way to limit RNG is inefficient use of reforge legendary. It is much too costly to be worthwhile. Otherwise, just constant loot farming.
Personally, I like to force the loot drop to get confused. If I want a quiver, for example, I’ll reforge it with my necromancer since they can’t get one.
I suppose you mean “reforge” of course. Do you mean 200 reforges and no ancient at all, or just no useful or just semi-good ancient at all? The quivers have so many variables that it’s hard to get a perfect one. Usually it’s best to have a few Bombardier’s rucksack to change between when you reforge for a better one so that you can keep the one that’s slightly better for the moment. Anyways, it’s back to gambling or upgrading rares, or hoping for a good drop.
I meant reforge, my apologies for any confusion, and I do mean NO ancients at all, why I posted, I still cannot believe the poor RNG. Not going to be my main build (Sentry will be), so the GoD quiver is just for farming/speed gr’s, was just doing it to do it quick…little did I know.
I feel you!
Have been reforging a Lefevres to my Monk and no good Ancient. 100+ and few were Ancient, and when it is… is a thrash unusable one beyond salvaging by Mystic reroll.
The only way to limit RNG is inefficient use of reforge legendary. It is much too costly to be worthwhile. Otherwise, just constant loot farming.
Personally, I like to force the loot drop to get confused. If I want a quiver, for example, I’ll reforge it with my necromancer since they can’t get one.
I hear what you’re saying, and have read this before, I didn’t think to make a quick Necro (haven’t gotten to that class yet this season) to do the reforge. I should have, and now regret not doing that, but it does not excuse the very poor RNG that happened.
I hardly ever use the reforge, as I said, had done all the bounties to keep on top of the needed mats for enchants for my other toons set ups. I usually just play and let the items drop, just had so many excess thought I’d do it, get it, move on.
Appreciate you reminding me of doing this, my memory is not what it once was, lol.
I have been saying this since last season, THIS IS REVERSE “SMART LOOT” IN EFFECT. and they tweak Reforging it’s no longer 10% chance., now it’s less than 10%.
Crafting for Ancient Cpt Crimson Waders Boots, 1st session 20 crafts no ancient, 2nd session 15 crafts no ancient… yeah 10%> sucks but not as bad as OP
I just want to reiterate, I had NO ancients on reforge, 200+ tries, was just looking to do so to use a gem (125) I had already, could have had about anything, as long as I could get crit. on it.
Thank you as always for the breakdown, which you’ve done many times, never had a chance to thank you for those efforts, so…thank you.
Chance that a legendary will be ancient = 1/10 (40/400)
Chance that a legendary will be primal = 1/400
Chance that a legendary will not be ancient or primal = 359/400
Chance that none of X legendaries will be ancient or primal = (359/400)^X
Chance that none of 200 legendaries will be ancient or primal = (359/400)^200 = 0.00000000040447
That means there’s roughly a 1 in 2.5 billion chance that you didn’t get an ancient in 200 tries.
I am going to ask this on the off chance, but what level is the quiver that you tried to upgrade? Did you try more than one? I’ve done this before where I reforged an item that was not level 70 and mindlessly wasted a bunch of mats until I caught on. Lucky it was PTR. Just to be clear, the item needs to be level 70 to roll ancient.
Been there done that. The whole game is like this. No matter if you try to reforge something, Using blood at Kadala, or changing a stat at Myriam.
There was one time for the hell of it. I went to Myriam to change a stat. 1 billion in gold and many mats later. I still didn’t get what I wanted.
This season I have 3 accounts. With all accounts I just run a DH. I still have not had a Dawn drop yet. I have finish the season journey all 3 too.
When it comes to Kadala, Myriam, and the cube. The game is a joke at what you get. I have had where you do a GR and have had up to 3 or 4 of the same item drop on that run. Plus most of the time it something you never ever use too.
Kadala is the yellow item Queen 99% of the time. Myriam is you never get the Stat 99% of the time Queen. The Cube is you never get a Ancient 90% of the time King.
To the OP the one way you really get anything good in the game. You have be one of the mindless people that sit in front of the game 18 to 20 hrs a day.
I did a bounty t16 public game last Wednesday. There was somebody at 2365 on paragon, less then 5 days into the game. More then half his gear was primals.
So you have to live with the Good and the Bad in the game. Plus it is more the Bad then the Good too.
Thanks for doing the math, I figured someone would. I knew it would be infinitesimally small. Pressing x as well.
Take your tinfoil hat off for a minute while you read this. It’s called variance, and in your case not even mildly bad variance. I rolled 30 pair of crimson boots last night and got 3 primals (true story). I guess that’s because I hacked blizzards servers, and am now stealing your loot.
I certainly understand your doubt, and like Timberwolf, I want to thank you for your contributions here, I’ve read them countless times. I’m not one to post on forums, but this seemed as unlikely an event as I’ve seen in any game.
If there was any way to prove it, I would, is there a way to show bounties done, or some such thing? Again, there were ZERO ancients, not unusable, why I came to post/complain/whine (lol).
The thrust of me posting was to bring about change hopefully, with whatever little chance that may have, IMO it needs to happen.
I do not think I have ever used a lower level to try to reforge, but that was not the case, I did check after some time, looked it over and tried to figure things out, and I did actually switch out another to try to change things up.
Again, after a certain point, things need to be weighted, IMO, the various mechanisms to make that happen, and at what ratios, can be discussed ad nauseum I’m sure, but it does need to happen to stop many such scenarios from happening again.
I am saying there is something else at play that ppl has not figured out yet…be it seasonal seeding or something else. I am not accepting the usual chant “RNG”, most ppl do tho.
