Devs,
Can we please! And why have we not removed the group XP bonus. The amount of paragon gap that is gained/allowed to gain from players playing in groups and competing on the solo boards versus players that just play solo is massive.
Players that play in groups get a massive lead and unjust advantage in competing on the solo leader boards. Due to the group XP bonus. So why not remove it and have the solo boards somewhat actually compete-able for those that truly play solo.
(In before all the goofs say “it removes MP incentive”). No, it does not remove group play incentive… Group play would still provide higher GR clears earlier-faster, for higher gem leveling quicker. Can push higher GRS in groups sooner and easier than a solo player. Therefore, Group play will still have plenty of incentive without the group XP bonus. Therefore, lowering the GAP in paragon between MP and Solo.
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Why? Do you know how hard is to find people who actually understand how to gear properly and not joining pugs even without legendary gems just to be carried thru gr 100?
Im against removing group xp bonus, because its so easy to play solo, with no dependencies on other players.
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No. Because it’s not hard at all to find people who actually understand how to gear properly and not get carried… all you gotta do is use the communities feature provided in game or 1 of the several discord servers. There are thousands of players who know what they are doing and how to compete.
Just because you don’t know how to filter through and find people is not a good reason to keep an unfair advantaged group xp buff.
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You just said a complete nonsense. Try to join communities and try to get a response from someone, wish you best of luck.
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Then you clearly don’t know how to socialize or use the resources available to put together a good group and you yourself probably don’t belong in said groups…
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By far the thing I hate most about D3. They completely alienated solo players.
Really hoping this isn’t a thing in D4 as I’d like it be more than just a one and done playthrough.
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Did d3 alienate solo players or do solo players alienate themselves? (hence they solo)
Anyway, why do people like asking for nerfs?
For OP, your own statement contradicts itself. You’re asking to remove group xp buff because there’s a massive paragon gap, yet you claim that group play will still clear gr’s faster… hence better xp.
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It’s not asking for a nerf. It’s called balancing the game. They “solo leader boards” have that title for a reason. Because you are competing SOLO versus other SOLO players of that class.
The removal of group xp buff is about closing the paragon gap, while still allowing group play to have an incentive/advantage.
Yes, you are correct group play will result in better xp. However, without the xp buff the paragon gap will be MUCH smaller, allowing for a more true competitive solo leader board.
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good suggestion and i am more than sure that nothing has been done for many years as always.
in s21 the exploiters already have cleared lvl 135 with dh solo. they cheat in lvl 150 with an exploit and already have 2k paragon.
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Nah let the groupers keep there bonuses, just make the solo boards for solo only accounts. If you ever group once on an account, that account is barred from the solo boards. That way no one is grouping up and farming Paragon, gear, mats on one character, and then making a solo character with all those things.
Most true solo players will not have any problems because, you guessed it, we solo. Only people with an issue would be the group players who just need to see their names on the solo boards too for egos sake.
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While I support this and it would be nice to have. This is also referred to as a “SSF or Solo-self found mode // leader-board”, and the community has been asking for this for an extremely long time and it’s not going to happen. The devs even said it wont be available in D4.
The easiest and best thing we can hope / ask for is XP balancing between group and solo play.
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I’m actually fairly happy with the pace of a completely solo experience right now. I don’t know that gamewise I actually want it to go much faster.
That said I am vaguely annoyed that Blizzard feels like awarding such a huge penalty to players who play solo. Its like some bully going out of their way to tell me they don’t appreciate my playstyle and want me to have less fun by playing some other way purely for efficiency reasons.
And while I’m not competitive myself, it does seem grossly unfair that the “solo” ladders are clearly for people who do almost all their playtime in groups, then drop to solo just to perform the one actual clear that shows up on the leaderboard. That is not a “solo” league at all.
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If you chose to play the game in a sub optimal way you shouldnt expect optimal results.
in other words: solo players chose to play solo and therefore less efficient so there reward is less.
Do note i mostly play solo
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Yes, but why exactly is it designed to be a sub-optimal way. By changing a few multipliers the devs could easily create exactly the reverse situation, which could then be “justified” with that exact same (non)-response.
If it was my game the balance I’d strive for is aligning the mechanics such that the choice facing the player was purely about what they find most enjoyable.
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every player finds different things enjoyable so that would be an impossible thing to achieve.
some ppl prefer solo others pref group play, you always favour 1 over the other.
You cant please everyone so dont try
I’m sorry but that’s ridiculous. That’s like saying they should offer only one class with one set and no more abilities than you can take at once.
Games like this are about player choice. Generally they try to offer a range of attractive choices and make them all good. The question here is why have they gone so far out of their way to make the solo/group choice so off-balance.
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The whole point of playing “Seasons or ladder” is to compete on the Leader boards, whether that be Solo, Duo, 3-player, or 4-player leader boards.
There are a lot of people, that prefer or choose to play and compete on the solo leader boards. The point of the OP and this discussion is the fact the SOLO leader board is not a true representation of a solo competitive board and it compromised by the massive gap in paragon levels due to players farming XP in a group environment getting a massive advantage on the competition for the solo leader board.
All we are asking is to remove the xp buff in group play to close the gap and make the leader board more balanced in solo competition.
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Ah so that’s why they call it solo leaderboards. Why do they call it 2-man leaderboard? or 3 man?
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Even if they remove the xp bonus from playing in groups you still havent changed anything about the fact that groups can clear higher content faster.
no it isnt you need 4 different classes for a good 4man group
no they arent they are about players chosing how to play the game within the framework set out by the designers of the game
You can take your 6 post troll account and go troll some else’s thread kid. You clearly have nothing better to do.
And nothing positive to contribute to the discussion in favor for or against the OP.
Bye troll.