So I’ve been goofin’ around while leveling up my Gems for other characters on my WW Barbian feels faster then on my other character even though it about the same time, also can easily switch from G-rifts to normal rift Farming and I kinda change my build around out of bored’em… And I thought it’ll be cool to maybe make a topic about it to maybe refine it, as it does have allot of DPS
Core Gear tested At this time
Helm: Helm of the Wastes
Shoulders: Pauldrons of the Wastes]
Gloves: Gauntlet of the Wastes
Chest: Cuirass of the Wastes
Belt: Captain Crimson’s Silk Girdle
Pants: Captain Crimson’s Thrust or Tassets of the Waste
Boots: Sabaton of the Wastes or Captain Crimson’s Waders
Bracers: Mortick’s Brace
Amulet: The Flavor of Time
Ring 1: Obsidian Ring of the Zodiac]
Ring 2: Skull Grasp
Legendary Gem 1: IceBlink
Legendary Gem 2: Taeguk
Legendary Gem 3: Bane of the Stricken
Jewelry Slot: Ring of Royal Grandeur
So this is where now it get tricky If you use both Rimeheart And Fjord Cutter you run into lack of fury Issues with Weapons, and you can’t have both cubed (or running it with the normal WW build would be very busted).
I should also add using the “Hurricane” rune is also as it’s cold damage, and will have better chance to freeze and can proc the Rime which does stack on the 10,000% damage WW is already doing is basically nukes most bosses.
As I said this is mainly a fury issue now in the build due to lack of Bul’s Oath bonus generally carrying WW builds. You can subside some the WW cost with Unfogiven and Animosty but again running into sometimes lack of Fury for pro-long spinning. rather then keeping it up while no mobs are around. So I could I might bring this to the forums where maybe someone might be able to Refine this.
This really is a strong build with the draw back and I did test this build doing a GR 75/T16 got a Channeling was able to flat the rift in 1 min with only 600 paragon maxing out only Offence,Defence and Utility, level 25 in all gems and most the gear was Ancient with a Channeling Pylon at the Start. Without the pylon took about 3:30. And Yes I do use Nemesis bracer in both runs in my cube instead of Mantle of Channeling.
Has anyone try doing this before? Or am I crazy for finding this build upon being bored levelin’ gems.
Edited - Exploring different gears set up, have gear i’ve already used and already done test on
Rimeheart is a complete non starter and not remotely an option to use in a Wrath of the Wastes build. Rimeheart receives zero buffs from Wastes. It is better to increase your Whirlwind damage. Even increasing it only 5% is better than something like Rimeheart.
Azurewrath would be a better option since it buffs cold damage, aka Hurricane. But ultimately Hurricane is a weak rune outside of speed farming. Dust Devils provide much more damage. Blood Funnel provides some regen. Other options are a little meh.
To add on to what Jako has already said. Almost any rune and crazy build can be used for speeds with ww. What is helping you along is the crimson set and flavor of time along with what I assume is echoing fury in cube. Those three things have trivialized low paragon and low rift play with ww in this new season. My main concern is you are not using stricken and BK weapons are mandatory unless you have optimal gear/talents to play with istvans set. I would take stricken over iceblink in every circumstance.
1st off, it’s not for WW but the freezing affect that comes off Fjord Cutter and Ice Blink, you’ll Freeze/chill with Hurricane WW also, and with the Atk rate that WW has you’ll proc Rimeheart more often then you think. Also the fact you say
you under value the proc rate it has.
you can’t read?
I don’t think either of you 2 even read what i’ve stated nor actually know what you’re talking about with statements as you have produced.
Incase you don’t know how it all combo up, i’ll break it down , since you aren’t well inform how this works.
Iceblink
This gem adds a guaranteed Chill effect to all Cold skills that previously did not have it. Unless already better, they Chill affected enemies for 1 second, slowing them by 60%. Upgrading increases the slowdown potency of all Chill effects (not conventional Slow, to a maximum of 80%).
At rank 25, it also gives all attacks additional 10% Critical Hit chance against enemies that are either Chilled or , even if these effects were applied by other players.
Now add the affect of Fjord Cutter
The ‘chilling aura’ mentioned in the unique affix lasts 5 seconds, has no cooldown and affects all enemies within 10 yards of the Barbarian, Chilling them (60% slow) and dealing 20% damage per second as Cold, with a very small chance to Freeze the enemy for 1 second. The weapon itself, however, has an unusually high chance to Freeze on hit.
7.5–10.0% Chance to Freeze on Hit to the uninformed.
So now you’re removing almost all their movement speed, they can randomly freeze, and you can Also hit and Freeze.
While Rimeheart isn’t the one attack to proc the freeze and mutli factors are causing Freezing factors, you can freeze a cluster of opponents and with how “active” you are moving around while dodging you see a Freeze just sweep and clear , this even works over walls/doors no open , infact you can be pulling things to the door and hitting while clicking the door sometimes without stopping.
Now you might use the “Proc Rate” which any the WW proc rates are “13%” Along with the 20% Rimeheart gives you have well over 33 % per a hit, there is no ICD and with an unlimited Atk speed factor w/ Crit chances increase and the freezes that are more often Then you give credit it does proc and have more power then given.
now you could also say “Bane of the Trapped” would be more worth while, then Iceblink, but I could also say i’m already max their slow with the stuff as I mention above, Not to mention if you run in a Group, Much like “Zbarb” style with a necro team that is prema freezing mobs , which is VERY easy with Command Skelly’s/Land of the Dead. You’ll be able to help in damage that you would be lacking, and in group a Zbarb WW can suck up all the trash into a pile for groups to nuke with even the Ice Golem on the Necro.
so with statements like
Shows how little you honestly look the game as a “whole” Much like how people say you can’t keep a boss Frozen, but you can freeze pretty much any boss with Necro rotating Skelly Command with the Frozen rune, and the Ice Golem that even freezes bosses that are “immune” How I know this? cause i mainly play Necro and have frozen bosses in a prema state by rotating the 2. and might run land of the dead for the hell of it for when my friend was on Corpse Lance build and they ran out of corpses. so even 3 Freezing affect worked and kept a boss unable to move and stop them mid animation to only have them do something else after they unfreezed.
So Yes there is plenty of ways Rimeheart could be use outside of “speed farming”
I even stated what gear was basically all decent Ancient Gear, not the “best” and I was able to do decent run with only Off/def/util. No points were in my Vitality/Str so only 600 paragon was really only to “aide” the build and I gave times with and without Channeling pylon, which should speak about the power it had with level 25 gems only, even with “normal WW barb” build I was getting about the same time with lower gem then my normal gems,as I mention only thing it runs into is Fury problem when no mobs are around, but as soon I get into mobs, I can have a decent amount cause how Frenzy x5 works on echoin’ giving gen on fury, the Fury drops even faster.
Now you might not be smart enough to even know why I said Rimeheart need be in the hand , even with ur statement of
shows you aren’t even looking at passive’s to make the build better as you’ll pass on some passives for other passive, like Weapon Master.
Swords/Daggers - increase damage by 8%
But that’s just small proof how You are overlooking any and all information to a new build being ever made. You close your mind to only what you wish to see as current, but not the future.
Much like how most people refuted other builds that are now deem “Yea i can see how that works after watching someone else do well on it”
I can read you just don’t know how to actually play ww if we are being honest. Good luck ever clearing 100 with that build. I was being polite and helpful. Don’t ask for help with a build if you are not going to like what people say!!!
What about Any of u said isn’t stated and the fact you proved anything or provided
You clearly didn’t read anything and only jump to things.
I find it more worrying how you can’t read Basic sentences if you think that helping by stating things already stated, shows you have little to no real refining skills to contribute.
Incase you don’t know what the words means
contribution
the part played by a person or thing in bringing about a result or helping something to advance.
Helping
the action of helping someone to do something; assistance.
Now where was anything i’ve stated isn’t being stated back to me, and the fact you couldn’t even look at the L.Gems used. Sorry I was Nice to break down your “critique” At not Reading or using information already presented. So sorry you are butt hurt over facts already stated.
ok Ill be more helpful then. The reason your build works fine at grift 75 is because the damage requirements are so low. When you move to higher lvls you need ways to stack damage. Stricken plus BK swords is the entire build. Also if you do not align all your abilities on same rune you are just giving up much needed damage. Dust Devils for one is more then half your damage. How will you roll cold vs physical on your amulet and bracers? Either way your losing damage since you need both types.
Again this has nothing to do with Refining but stating an already made build.
Let’s look at what Refinding means shall we.
Refine
improve (something) by making small changes, in particular make (an idea, theory, or method) more subtle and accurate.
I don’t think your really able to take critique well and you only know how to state things already know.
Now let us look at that statement of
1st lets go over how DD works. Dust Devils : Generate harsh tornadoes that deal 180% weapon damage to enemies in their path.
Now what does Hurricane say? Hurricane : Pull enemies from up to 35 yards away towards you while whirlwinding.
Whirlwind’s damage turns into Cold.
There really no Fall off in Damage really, as it convert the damage to cold already for you.
Now lets look at ur statement of
Not you really won’t be losing that much cause you’re clearly not looking at crit damage being value over it.
You have increase Crit chance on the Necklace honestly, now for bracers that should be a “tricky debate” cause after all all you’re getting really is 20% damage increase in 1 thing. Which could be said well if everything getting more crit chance, you could be looking more at a Class cannon style of build putting all your tanking needs into skills more dependant.
Also I’ve clearly stated this could be a build much like how Zbarb works in place this could brance out of “solo” style to a group style build , much like how Rats is, to an different type of Barb. I mean let look at how Zbarb are spreading their damage type to so many things.
So while you look at
You could be making up that damage with basically 20,000% damage from frozen stuff for a more passive style of play.
What does Charge and WW have nearly in common, it’s how it used to group mobs together, for the team, now you could say “Charge is faster” , which is true as long there are things to charge into, mobs are very much max slowed and unlike ZBarb with charging WW can protect other character/builds much like our current meta king of Arc.Wizard who does freeze thing in their bubble also.
Or let’s look at a Mutlishot DH who loves a “tank” grouping stuff together , but if we go that approach we could drop Gog L.Gem as we aren’t making the most of it for a other gem If there is roughly 50+ mobs around you and you’re pulling anything that might get out that reach, you can keep glass cannon builds alive to make a different farming setup beside Rat.
These are all the things that should be thought of and now “Well you lost damage” cause obv’s Zero damage builds are just as good in group play unlike a solo build who would rather not be in groups for their increase HP for more per a person.
Solo - 100 % Player Damage vs 100% Monster HP
2man - 200% Player Damage vs 150% Monster HP (+33% Kill Speed)
3man - 300% Player Damage vs 200% Monster HP (+50% Kill Speed)
4man - 400% Player Damage vs 250% Monster HP (+60% Kill Speed)
This is how Z builds are using the groups to push further ahead cause even in their minder damage, it’s still “extra” damage vs the hp alone.
If you dont use Bul’s Oath you lose a lot of fury regen and movement speed. Rimeheart’s 10,000% weapon damage isnt as good as you think it is, but if you insist on making this even somewhat viable, you could try using Dishonored Legacy w/ Weapon’s Master to somewhat curb the fury deficiency. Gathering storm rune will also increase all dmg by 10% for 3 seconds. It might be a fine zdps build, but its definitely not for solo pushing.
I want to give you the benefit of the doubt that you just don’t know how to play and aren’t trolling.
How often do you think Rimeheart goes off?
Do you know how Whirlwind damage works with the 6-piece bonus of Wastes and Attack Speed and Area Damage?
Once you read and understand those questions better, you’ll understand why Rimeheart is a no go in a Wastes build.
Rimeheart’s explosion doesn’t go off nearly as much as you think it does. Wastes and Skull Grasp, the two biggest multipliers for Whirlwind do not buff Rimeheart at all. You would need Rimeheart to explode for something like 15x a second to do meaningful damage.
Istvans and Bul Kathos are easily the two best swords atm. You don’t seem to understand how attack speed affects breakpoints for Whirlwind which affects the ticks per second Whirlwind does.
Weapon Master 8% damage is meaningless once you hit level 70 btw. It’s Damage increased by skills, meaning it’s closer to 4% damage.
Interesting idea but using these weapons would be better with LON/LOD WW. The proc on Rimeheart isn’t multiplied by the WotW set. On a LON/LOD WW build that proc does 100x more damage on a WotW build the damage is trivial.
2 huge things your missing with the BK weapons is the movement speed and fury regen not to mention the 45% increase to attack speed. Any WW build that doesn’t use these weapons is going to be gimped.
You can make up for the fury regen by using weapon master but that is another offensive ability you need to get rid of.
If you want to use Hurricane to pull mobs closer to you you can but it only works well if you have slow movement speed.
As Felix said, exploring Rimeheart on LoD/LoN or maybe IK might be a bit more feasible and worth exploring. But with Wastes, it just doesn’t receive any multipliers that makes the damage relevant past GR60.
I think I already covered in a other message i’m using weapon mastery.
I covered this. as I said but on the subject of
Never said this had to be for solo pushing, not onces I said this had to be solo play did I? But Cleave is an different way to get the Fury - but Might I ask why Gathering storm? Just cause it turns the damage cold? or the increase damage that threaten shout already is giving, As I already said the “Chill” is already being maxed with WW/Iceblink - also I guess which every is less damage i can swap the 2 swords to be cubed.
I’ve already answer this
now let’s re-use your words on you .
Once you read and understand Proc rate, you’ll understand why Rimeheart is a not as bad with an Rapid attack build.
You don’t understand proc rate, got it. Cause that all attack speed is.
I don’t think you know what you’re talking about now with that statement - damage booster don’t matter much before end game, you can even do a Test on D3planner to see that statement is more true if you think damage % increase matters before level 70 with no real gear ,even comparing gear from level 60 back in the day damage to today that use same builds that hardly had any items changed buffed and etc, it’s the same result at level 70 you’ll get more boon then lower level from that same damage %
If you aren’t helping don’t bother posting. for your “post count”
would you be kind enough to tell where a good mock build of this LoN/LoD WW build might be found?
I’ve already cover this, but I do understand the “attack speed values” like my current build i’ve messed around sit at 2.5 atk speed which is still a very decent Amount without the swords already.
yet i’ve stated I done GR75, and now you’re using someone else information after not bringing it up yourself? Shows you aren’t even that informed of the things you wish to talk about. Not once you mention try using a different build but now you wish to change the story?
Seems like you’re only taking someone else cookie and saying you bake it now. Your proper respond should been “That not a bad ideal to not use WoTW and try that instead” not “it might be abit more Feasible and worth exploring” after making statements like I don’t know atk speed and Proc rates
Are you trying to optimize a Cold WW build for speed-farming T16?
Or are you trying to optimize your specific version of a Cold WW build for speed-farming T16?
If you’re trying to do the former, Chris and Jako, who are both incredibly knowledgeable Barb vets, have already told you what to do. The fact that you’ve responded with hostility is unwarranted and, frankly, ridiculous. You’re out of your depth here, my man. You don’t understand attack speed (hint: there are additive and multiplicative sources and they work differently), and you don’t really understand what makes a good WW build function. Rimeheart is useless; I remember testing this exact setup, along with a LoN setup, many moons ago, and it pales in comparison to the base Zodiac build.
If you’re trying to do the latter, well, who cares? Do whatever you want.
If you care about efficiency and speed, take the advice given to you and use the build guide stickied in this forum. If you don’t care, that’s cool, too.
If you’re trying to push with Hurricane/Cold, well, I got bad news for you: That’s not going to work because of the way Hurricane interacts with some elites, and because you’ll need Blood Funnel. It provides no benefit on RGs and maximizes monster CC immunity in a blink. I could go on and on about why you don’t push with Hurricane, but I doubt you would listen.
13% proc rate times 20% proc rate isn’t 33%. That’s a 2.6% proc rate. ON ONLY FROZEN ENEMIES.
And I didn’t try to take someone else’s cookies or whatever horrible analogy you want to use. I gave Felix credit in my first sentence when I said “As Felix said” - it’s still not optimal because Dust Devils will do more damage in the long run than Rimeheart.
and I can pull up past post of people like you using the same statements of Rats and Z build saying what would anyone want to run things like this. So statements like
Falls on how you like to handle subjects.
Now where Did anything I say to
Where did I say i’m trying make this a meta build or even a top tier build? You are foolish to assume things without knowing anything about the subject. Alson the subject of
Same thing can be said about lots of people who who said about other things are wrong, but end up being true with facts found later, So how can you even mate statements like you are if you claim to be so knowledgeable without knowing an other test theory that breaks maybe what you done?
Maybe you’re the one “out of your Depth” in the fact you don’t know what i’ve done.
Yet i’ve stated otherwise and even mention how I’ve hit 2.5 Atk speed without the swords, I gave a time difference with and without channeling pylon that removed the cost. Blunder part for max result, Took me over 100 + runs to get nearly the same map and pylon placement after Screenshotin and redo’s and burning over 200 my Grift key for the hell of it.
Cool for you? That isn’t being inform and nothing but Spam for nothing to the topic.
I am , you’re the ones trying force something here so take your own advice and don’t post spam if you’re not going do anything really.
You talk high and mighty but normally it’s other people who found these stuff and you don’t give the original people who found stuff and refine it. You just post the end result and not the history of build being changed. So Maybe you don’t care how result get made. That’s cool don’t post if you aren’t willing to try new stuff cause if you think you’re so right on everything you would’ve made all the builds and been credit as the person who made it,not the person who just posted the results of other who done the stuff to get the build to where it is.
coming from a person who don’t get the point of coverage breakpoint to making builds to a refine state to see real break point, I don’t think you understand what you’re even talking about, let alone how I already stated this be more to a team build with Freeze Necro and other AoE freeze that do leave mobs/bosses Frozen long enough to make up for stuff like “of damage”
Again i’ve stated how Freeze builds work and even with bosses with “immunity” you could rotate freeze point and keep a boss nearly frozen the whole time as the ICD counts per character/skill.
statements like what you like to think are right and only push one thing have has negative impacts on our critical thinking skills, hinder knowledge acquisition and progression to newer things.
I had my friend run a full Freeze build to test the damage output, and I was reaching from 500B-1000B damage rates while Freeze was up even on bosses to the point they froze the boss and I nuke it on GR85 Follow by nearly the same, but I had level 50 gems used that time, took around 11 mins as they didn’t have a good CDR and would have to Wait to proc pylons for them sometimes.
the fact you act so entitled to just presume you know what best, shows you aren’t as knowledgeable when it comes to topics you don’t like.
Nevermind Rimeheart has a 2.6% proc rate with Whirlwind. Nevermind it only does 10,000% weapon damage with Wastes. Nevermind Whirlwind does over 10,000% weapon damage per hit with Wastes and Skull Grasp. Nevermind bosses do become CC immune. Just ignore all of that.
Play your way. I don’t ultimately care. Just thought I’d help you out with some facts. But you clearly don’t want them.
