Rank 1 non season 13 000 paraong sader

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Of course it’s possible. I don’t think anyone has found a way to cheat themselves a couple thousand of paragon points by finding some sort of exploit / vulnerability in the game, or the client-server communication protocol. A couple of notes however:

  • The current paragon system, known as Paragon 2.0, was introduced around early-mid 2014. Pretty much 7 years ago. Before that, there was 100 PL cap per character, and paragon points weren’t shared between chars (according to wiki, I haven’t played it back then);
  • The paragon acquisition rate was not always the same over these years. AFAIR Blizzard has made several changes after that. It wasn’t always the same curve as it is now;
  • Greater Rifts were introduced in 2.1, which went live late August 2014. Moreover, they were capped at GR100, although back then GR 35 was considered a decent solo clear. If that’s not enough, wiki states that first groups that reached GR100 were only able to do so in 2.5, and that’s early 2016.

I’d say, getting to 17k should have taken considerably more than 40 hours a week, on average.

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I deliberately left out an important part…

So, that’s 1753.4 days needed. However, in each of those days, they play for 8 hours, which is 480 minutes a day, so that’s a total of 1753.4 * 480 = 841,632 minutes . Each (GR + Town) period is 2.75 minutes. That means they’d run 841,632 / 2.75 GRs in total. That comes out at 306,048 GRs.

Okay, but where did they get the GR keys to do over 300K GRs? Well, even assuming all the Nephalem Rifts they’d run had been done at T16 (which they couldn’t have been because T14-16 didn’t exist for most of those years) those give you 3 GR keys guaranteed with a 50% chance of a 4th, so 3.5 GR keys per Nephalem Rift. 306,048 / 3.5 = 87,442 NRs. Okay, let’s assume they’re done super speedy at 60 seconds per NR, with 10 seconds between them (they have SSDs, instead of waiting for the portal to close, they exit game, remake), so 70 seconds per NR. 87,442 NRs at 70 seconds each = 6,120,940 seconds = 102,016 minutes = 1700 hours. Remember, 8 hours = working day. 1700 / 8 = 213 days, so almost another year on the assumption of 250 working days per year.

Combining the non-stop GR120s, and the 1 minute NRs, we’re now up to around 8 years of played time. However, this raises a problem. Paragon v2 wasn’t introduced until April 2014, i.e. just over 7 years ago. So, how did they fit 8 years, of a five days a week, 8 hours a day job into 7 years elapsed, unless some of it was cheating / botting / account sharing?

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Why would it matter on non season?

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For the same reason it matters during the season, i.e. cheats should be banned.

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Might wanna add that u can buy subscription in asia for exp bonus. Rats been around for a while meaning 2.5min at 120 is rly slow even if u look at it as avrg for the 7 years.

Its hard to tell how much time it take consider we had wd meta when ppl farmed 150. Rats had their ups and downs. We also had seasonal buffs which would have speed up if they did abuse those. Like 4th cube slot. But at the same time they might have farmed 135+ rats in ns without it anyway.

Cheating or not getting those paragon is a achievement.

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At this point, does it even matter anymore. the whole cheat/ban tree has been barked up now for pretty much the last 7 years. Aint nothing going to be done. Its know that the accounts had account sharing going on, i believe its even been admitted by some of the higher paragon players.
Despite that, no one hacked their paragon level, the paragon level itself is legit and “is” possible to have in the time frame.

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Honestly, good for them!

I wish paragon gains in non-season were faster! I want to see everyone over 9,000!!!

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Anything gained by cheating isn’t an accomplishment.

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Its still hard work to get 17k paragon. No matter how u look at it it takes alot of effort.

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Cheating is not hard work nor a lot of effort. It certainly isn’t an accomplishment.

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Getting 17k paragon is. Even with cheats

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Cheating is cheating. It is not hard work nor a lot of effort. It is just cheating.

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If done by a person, that’s absolutely a lot of time / effort / work.
If done by a bot, nope.

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Indeed, if it can be proven that 17k paragon has been done by a single person without any form of cheating, then and only then can it be classified as a lot of work/effort.

As of now however the mathematics do indicate otherwise.

To add to this equation, let’s not forget in the early days people couldn’t do even GR50s with speed. GR120 speeds were only possible after a lot of power creep which only couple last years or so.

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U still need to play alot to get 17k even if u bot. Botting alone wont get u to 17k. If it was we would see alot more ppl being 17k. After all it took 7years and countless of hours of actual gameplay. Im not gonna accuse anyone for botting or acc sharing. But if we pretend for the sake of it that the person is botting he/she still need to play the game for several hours pretty much every day for 7 years. Thats alot of effort for something which wont give u a salary in my opinion. Im not willing to put that kind of effort or time into a game for 7 years. So for me that is alot of effort. Im not saying cheaters deserve to have the top spot but i cant deny that it is alot of work.

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I thought of that, plus the fact it simply wasn’t possible to do 120 GR until the last few years.

Again, it’s not impossible to play more than 8 hours a day. Some people play 12!

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Indeed. I just used it as an estimate seeing as how it roughly equated to a real life job, i.e. 40 hours a week.

In which case, they played for 50% longer per day, so it would take them 33.33% less days. That’s still 1169 days and, at 250 working days a year, that’s still 4 years 169 days.

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Beeg, beeg Yoshi

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Depends. There may be a lot of effort put into the cheat itself. Hacking is not always directly straightforward. Then, once accomplished, the rewards are to sit back and reap what can be sown.

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If I was running in a Marathon, I couldn’t care less how much effort someone put into tuning up the taxi they took for the first 26 miles so they could beat me to the finish line.

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