Kind of returning from a long break. So I’m rockin that new wizard set…and was wondering if each % from tasker and Theos power increases hydra speed, or is there like break points for it?
Also wondered if attack speed% from gear counts towards Hydra?
Anyone know?
Like I have a really nice ancient t&t with like 42% power vs a crappy one, losing about 8% dps, but it’s 49%.
Thanks ahead
You can get what AS breakpoints the hydras will hit with Taskers and Theo on the D3 planner but the base hydra besides frost is different.
Well this might be off topic, but kinda has to do with Tasker and Theo. In Raxxanterax’s Super Rat Runs video he said it doesn’t matter, for skeletal mage, if you have a 40% TNT or a 50% you get the same damage.
I’m pretty sure I remember Cratic saying he needed a 50% Tasker and Theo, with Hydra, to hit his breakpoint without using attack speed on his rings…? Or something?
So that is the info I have. Maybe you’re just more confused now. For that I’m sorry
Honestly unless you’re going for front page of the leader board, I wouldn’t worry too much about breakpoints. The only thing to consider is wasted attack speed, which I don’t think is a huge deal with Hydra.
AS on gear does not increase the speed of your pets attacks the only item that does that is the t&t gloves. It does however increase the damage of each attack of your pets bcs pet dam is directly related to your sheet dps and that goes up when you add as. So as is a very good stat with all pet builds and you cant waste it.
I dont know what the as% on t&t needs to be unfortunatly.
Are you sure of that? Because I remember very clearly that during PTR they hotfixed a bug with Frost hydra rune where they were getting dmg from your attack speed instead of attack speed.
Also Arcane hydra shoots 5 orbs each doing 205% (in 10 yard radius of enemy hit and they are all aimed at same enemy). Very easy to test just wear no weapon and 6pc TV and go to normal in act 1 and see the dmg per orb, then replace arcane hydra with frost hydra to compare.
It always worked like that so unless it got changed recently then yes im sure. But i havent tested it myself and it could ofc be that hydra is an exception. I dont play wiz so i cant test hydras myself
Each % from Tasker and Theo does increase Hydra attack speed, and there are breakpoints for it.
Attack speed on gear also counts toward hydra, and if you use your ancient t&t with 42%, you would only need >1.74 attack speed on your wizard to hit the 30 frame (2aps) hydra breakpoint, which is easiest to get with 7% attack speed on your weapon and t&t gloves.
edit: This is assuming you are using any hydra other than Frost Hydra, in which case you would need about 1.96 aps to reach the 30 frame breakpoint, since Frost Hydras attack slower than the others.
The attack speed of Hydra is dynamic. Hydra DPS tends to scale linearly with attack speed. The same is true for AS bonuses such as Tasker and Theo, pain enhancer, echoing fury, etc. These all have the opportunity to increase attack speed of Hydra.
Attack speed is not included as a multiplier within the damage formula, such as with skeletal mage, but is instead increasing the rate at which Hydra attacks.
Hydra AS FPA breakpoints are rather large though, as in, it takes a more significant investment in general to hit lower FPA BPs. However, when you do, the attack speed increase, and therefore DPS increase from Hydra will be more noticeable than when performing the same for other skills, such as with Frozen Orb.
Quite the opposite, with Hydra, breakpoints are extremely important. 
I got lucky with a nearly “primal” Tasker ancient, 50% attack for pets, 49% CHD, 10% ChC, 5 AS, 899 intelect or something like that. I also have another 7IAS on my ancient karini, so am quite positive that I hit a good breakpoint for Arcane hydra.
It’s most notable when you pick speed pylon in GR, they simply melt stuff much faster than with power one (probably is pushing them straight to next AS breakpoint I guess) - at least my personal experience.
Sadly hydras can’t proc / activate Pain Enhancer, only your own attacks do for some reason (I tested it and if I channel torrent and crit mobs, my AS starts going up in char sheet, but if only hydras crit mobs it remains unchanged).
Which may not be half bad since I simply can’t see a better gem configuration than Trapped, Taeguk and Enforcer for any hydra build. Even if we will end up in 4p, we will most likely be only trash clear so stricken won’t help much at all.
Thanks for the info I thought all pets worked the same but apparently not 
Ok thanks for the info. I didn’t know frost attacked slower.
What hydra is used currently to hit high GRs?
I’ve been using Frost with 7% AS on gloves and belt (14%), with 42% tasker.
For gems I’m using Trapped,Enforcer and not sure on 3rd but been using Zei’s. Is there a better option for gems? I feel like Zei’s isn’t always beneficial so not sure what to use instead.
Idk I get to around GR 110 with frost, but feel I should be able to get higher.
Any help appreciated.
3rd gem should be Taeguk as you will always channel in pushing, and you get double benefits: damage and DR.
I use Arcane, most are using Frost - for VT set that is, LoD is always Mammoth.
If you have a 1.5 base speed wep and 50%tnt you need 36% more aps to hit 24 frames. 10 from paragon and 4 items with attack speed.
Yah you definitely don’t want to ignore them like necro mages, like Cratic said extremely important. 2 breakpoints near the upper limits is like double damage. They should let us hit 6 FPA, I’m starting to really agree with these increased attack speed of hydras to the hydra set. I wanna see that 10 pet APS!
But yah all you ever wanted to know is on the D3 planner…
Ok thanks I’ll use Taeguk.
I can’t seem to find an ancient serpent sparker, so I’m using an ancient death wish in hand. So that’s the same speed as serpent sparker right? At 1.40 I think.
Sorry kinda of new to this, trying to look up this planner
Edit: this planner is amazing, I didn’t even know about it. I’ve been at 42 frames this whole time and just by adding like 9.9% AS and switching to arcane, I improved by 2 frames.
Actually SS is a wand and DW is a sword, pretty sure they have (should?) different base attack speeds, like with daggers and ceremonial knives etc.
I just killed a RG in 108 earlier with speed pylon in like 6-8s (was leveling a gem to augment an amazing pair of blood bracers ancients with 100% shield, 6% ChC 989 int, 509 armor and LoH with vitality and reroll LoH to 20% arcane dmg).
It felt like DW+ES channel bug hahaha 
So yeah attack speed is amazing dps increase for pets. Also look at it this way, if you run CoE, during your cold / arcane cycle the more attacks you can get in, more burst you will put out. I started to specially save my manual cast of black hole for my arcane cycle and it works amazing.