Please put PERSONAL LOOT

Azzazzel-2986 · August 18, 2021, 1:37am

However it can be done If it can be, it will be, it’s all the endgame there is… more and more loot and giving it away for whatever be it a smile or a song

ThatSupraGuy-1979 · August 18, 2021, 1:38am

“We” Who is “We”…

blash-1917 · August 18, 2021, 1:39am

People who want to play with pLoot.

It’s not that hard to figure out given the context.

ThatSupraGuy-1979 · August 18, 2021, 1:40am

Like who though? I’ve seen you, can we get a legit poll going.

Dulac-1509 · August 18, 2021, 1:49am

Yup, it’s to chill and have fun with your party. This also applies to playing with friends, because maybe you don’t want to fight over some item.

blash-1917 · August 18, 2021, 2:00am

Check for yourself.

Private loot - Poll

Crazy-25329 · August 18, 2021, 2:03am

no personal loot

thank you

ThatSupraGuy-1979 · August 18, 2021, 2:30am

Private loot - Poll

Copying this from my other post, in case you are willing to spend 3 minutes, to see, what’s wrong with ploot in a 3 month ladder and so small drop rates.

Assign a number, that values your drop (like the Price in Pul runes, but can also be more abstract) to every item in the game. (Ofc you don’t literally do that for every item, but you do in principle)

Let’s call that number v(i), it is the value, given an item i. Now farm some items and after sone time add up all your v(i). Let’s define V= sum of all v(i).

Now V is a random variable, because for every killed mob it’s random, which item i drops. The central limit Theorem now tells you, that the random variable V follows a Gaussian random distribution. This importantly means for us, that we can determine an expectation value E(V) vor V and also we can determine the error of that expectation value, which is known as the variance Var(V).

Let’s get a feeling for this with coin tosses. Let’s take a coin: one side shows the number +1, the other side shows -1.

The expectation value for a coin toss is to see the value zero. That’s because the probability is 0.5 for every side and by adding up the possible outcomes: 1-1=0.

You see, the expectation value tells you, what to expect, if you average an infinite amount of coin tosses.

Now what about the variance of the coin tosses? It is the error of the expectation value. Sure, if I toss the coin 10 times and add up the „+1“ and „-1“, you might end up with 0. But you can also get 2, -2, 4, -4 etc. Most importantly, the more coin tosses you do, the more the sum can deviate from the expectation value! Because if you do 100 tosses, you can have e.g. 100 times „+1“. So consequently, the statistical error/deviation from the expectation value increases with the number of coin tosses.

The same happens in D2 and you might know that. If you grind CS or Baal for weeks, your expectation value for V is always the same, but you will have some days or even weeks, in which you barely find anything good. (See also MrLlamaSC‘s MF grinds)

So the longer you play, the longer will your bad drop streaks (and also the good ones ofc) become.

Now very simple math: if you play with 8 people and for every drop have the chance, to grab it, your bad streaks are exactly the same, as in singleplayer. (Neglecting the fact, that item rarity and quantity change in MP for simplicity, because it doesn’t change the concept here)

Now if you have personal loot though, this effect is increased, which we can understand easily as follows.

Imagine you have a really bad drop streak and you don’t see a single high Rune drop for 1 month. (Actually realistic according to the YouTuber DBrunski)

With shared loot, after 1 month, you have a 1/8 chance on a high Rune, if everyone in the party clicks equally well.

With personal loot, you also have the 1/8 chance, but you will not even notice, that you had the chance. Hence, with probability 7/8, your bad steak just continuous and it soll take on average 7 more high Rune drops, until you even SEE a Rune drop.

With shared loot, you see all the runes drop. Sure, you might not get the Rune, but in principle you can get every drop and it is on you, if you can not get a rune in a whole ladder. But with ploot, you are completely out of charge.

Thanks, buddy very informative stuff there.

MicroRNA-1507 · August 18, 2021, 2:35am

That post lacks logic. There is confusion between seeing and acquiring.

A bird in hand is worth two in the bush.

ThatSupraGuy-1979 · August 18, 2021, 2:43am

Regardless splitting the player base is never a good idea. But to each, their own, release will decide its own fate.

Rubbish-1656 · August 18, 2021, 2:43am

absolutely not get good kid

Jerhyu-1590 · August 18, 2021, 2:48am

I’m refunding if they announce it toggle or otherwise - the instant i hear about it. I actually came to that conclusion while writing this. I won’t bother to try it out - i know where it goes. It will not be the same game.

Personal loot risks already dividing a VERY limited loot pool. Item drop rates are really low. If you made it so EVERYONE gets loot - you simply can’t make it so each person gets the equivalent of an otherwise FFA’s game’s items. You’d break the economy and the game instantly. That basically means an already incredibly limited loot pool is going to be divided potentially by 8 players - so most people are going to end up with a bunch of white flails and maybe a magic item and one person gets a rare or unique - literally like 7 players are going to be handed a few magic items and mostly garbage without an opportunity to see something better. They will literally see garbage, and only a % of that garbage. Its going to be very boring and unrewarding because you’re only going to play so long when you see decent drops 1/8 of the time. To put it differently, in FFA loot you play 8 games and you see 8 uniques. You have a shot at 8 of them potentially. In personal, you see one unique in 8 games. Which do you think is going to be more addictive/fun?

Its a bad system in this game and it means completely torpedoing the economy to implement in a way that allows people access to items they’d get under FFA loot - you’d have to buff drop rates for each individual player which means far more saturation in the economy. Everyone having all these items really fast will definitely impact the game in a negative way - you already have people deeply against botting which basically make this a reality and the average players items aren’t worth very much 1 week into a ladder season. For many people who enjoy this game its not just about rushing to end game for duels - but the process/journey of getting the gear - and that adds playable hours. You’d be potentially increasing the rate that happens potentially by 800% due to availability and saturation if you made everyone get the loot they would under ffa loot personally. It would make gearing real quick and there is no doubt that most of the people who love D3 and want this put in place would be bored far faster and just quit now that they got what they wanted leaving other people who like game as is basically stuck with the mess they advocated for. This literally happened with D3 when the D3 team took the self-founder’s wishlist(“consulted the d3 community” basically through the forums, where for some reason they were a consensus…on a forum that D2 players couldn’t post w/o WoW account or pre-order") of how items should be be in terms of itemization its release - and a lot of them quit when they got a system that gave them exactly what they wanted(Uniques with one stat the same and everything radically different so nobody’s ‘shako’ was the same)

It would be a total disaster for this reason - let alone all the other ones people have provided. The game is far better for allowing ACCESS to items that they have a chance of picking up(way more ‘fun’ than basically never seeing anything) instead of people just being forced to see garbage under the way this game would have to divide to even stand a chance of functioning without a grossly oversaturated economy. You can bet if it were ever implemented with the current drop rates the next thing people would be complaining about is the fact they never find anything meaning drop rates would be buffed. Its a bad system and bad for this game. This game’s longevity has been in part because the crazy depth of its itemization and how rare those items are - but can be used for meaningful builds - you literally find it and are like wow i can make this work! even if its not meta. Making that even easier by having personal loot and will negatively impact this and the rarity of just about every item.

I doubt there will be a reply from people who support personal loot because these consequences aren’t really avoidable and they’ll be the first people wanting buff dropped rates. They either aren’t ready to admit this or haven’t thought this through enough.

Its also how you get torment 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, add naseum because all these people with easily acquirable gear are going to ask what are they going to do with it? At least there is PVP in Diablo 2 and its not garbage like Diablo 3. But this is how you the pressure to get create rifts and FOTM changes like in diablo 3 - a system that requires far more intervention and developer driven fun than diablo 2.

Do not go down this path because people haven’t learned how to pick up items well nor because people feel entitled to whatever drops from what ‘they’ kill. It will go badly and its a surefire way to sink this game.

I’m refunding if its ever confirmed(the instant i know its announced and it will be a nail in the coffin for others for sure) - toggle or otherwise because i know they’ll have to tamper with drop rates to deal with it and i definitely don’t trust them to do it. It won’t be the same game and they’ll definitely feel pressure to add things since… the ‘difficulty’ is no longer present when loot becomes so easily available so quickly.

ArkAngel06-1875 · August 18, 2021, 2:59am

No. No to personal loot. This is D2

MicroRNA-1507 · August 18, 2021, 3:00am

Blizzard is not changing D2/D2:Lod. The discussion is D2R.

ThatSupraGuy-1979 · August 18, 2021, 3:02am

If you couldn’t tell, I believe he was saying from a nostalgic point of view. Like “No to personal loot, this is Diablo 2R.” But just forgot the R.

Balnazzar-1596 · August 18, 2021, 3:04am

D2/LOD/D2R … hello moving on with times. Its all heading to the same direction.

Crying for personal loot… you guys are horrible and pathetic bunch. Paying for $39.99 and expecting it to be a $39K gaming experience.

For 2 years they have been saying its a remastered. Which part of it do you all not get it?

ArkAngel06-1875 · August 18, 2021, 3:04am

As in D2R is from D2. Not D3. Not D4.
So no. No personal loot.

SalveWarsong-1819 · August 18, 2021, 3:06am

Remember all the times people complained about the character model threads popping up?

We need these ploot threads pruned or locked, and redirected to one main thread, because the sheer amount of complaining that will occur every time some kid online doesn’t click the drop fast enough is going to be exhausting.

Didn’t get the drop? Time to vent on the forums about being slow and playing a ranged class while farming boss loot in an 8 man group.

MicroRNA-1507 · August 18, 2021, 3:50am

Alternatively, Blizzard could acknowledge that many players want optional personal loot as illustrated by all these threads and add it to the game.

Desofire-2359 · August 18, 2021, 3:54am

or you can aknowledge that make more sounds doesn’t mean you outnumber the rest of player? and that maybe not even a tenth of player are here therefore nothing can be said in a way (or in the toher)?