No attention for other classes?

[Gattaca-11613]

@Raziel187-1454

Dude.

I’m going to assume you’re replying to me even though you didn’t tag or quote anything I said; and where do I even start with your paragraph…

@Raziel187-1454

We got 3 sets and a seasonal buff that will make Necro godly

This is irrelevant as I am talking about S21. A new wiz, barb and WD set literally has nothing to do with what I was asking in terms of necromancer.
Also, your point about the S20 buff making necro “godly” is also irrelevant to my topic as it doesn’t matter the class. Everyone is going to benefit from a seasonal buff.

@Raziel187-1454

Blizzard has said repeatedly that they are working on new sets for Necro and DH

Really??? Wow, I had no idea but thank you for informing me of this even though it has nothing to do with the point I was making. I’m shocked. Completely shocked. This is definitely the first time I heard of this (completely not being sarcastic).

@Raziel187-1454

Do you want it rushed, or do you want it right?

Who said anything about having anything rushed? Again, this has nothing to do with what I was referring to.

@Raziel187-1454

You can’t have it both ways especially for a game this old and in maintenance mode

Yes, we’re all aware of how old the game is and that it’s in maintenance mode. At this point it’s just a simplistic platitude to repeat (unless the player is extremely new to D3 then they might need to be told).
Tbh, even well before myself, or any other necromancers knew that anyone was getting new sets we’ve been requesting every patch for past 1.5 years at least to take a look at under-performing sets.
I’d even be happy if those 3 I mentioned got love without any new necro set at all.

@Raziel187-1454

the next dude to post their pie in the sky requests should be slapped.

And finally, not that I care much for elitist attitude, esp in a game like Diablo, where people bring up other player’s stats, but dude, you’ve got 2% total play time as a necromancer.
So please, for just a moment, before you start advocating for people to be “slapped” for apparent “pie in the sky” requests, can you you maybe reflect on this? That when it comes to necromancers and lack of attn they’ve been given for so long that out of any class, except next to barbs that they’ve been a one trick pony. Rathma rat runs and now LoD rat runs are their only viable build for pushing GR solo or group. People are sick of it, esp when they bought extra DLC for the class.

I cant speak for other necros but I do know the community has been asking for other sets to be taken a look at for so long now.
Yes, everyone expects every new class’ set to be strong but the difference between necromancer and every other class is that none of their sets are even good. Everyone has other options now (even when you exclude the new sets) to have different play styles.

If you still think I should be slapped for my request to have old necro sets looked at, then you’re entitled to that opinion still. But I fear it’s going to be you who looks like the fool in the end.

[Adda-1912]

@Joat-1701

Managing expectations a critical skill. If the fans don’t know all the details, then the CMs might benefit from sharing some of those. A simple statement like “we have something in the works for DH and Necro, but it won’t be ready for the next patch. We’re a small team, but we want to make sure it lives up to Blizzard’s high standards.” would have gone a long way. Would you agree?

Umm Nev has posted this numerous times now, even in this thread too.

@Nevalistis

We’re definitely, totally, extremely aware that Demon Hunter and Necromancer need help. And we want to do that right. The class sets for those two classes simply weren’t ready yet, and these ones were. Sometimes, that’s just how the production timelines end up working out, and it’s much easier for us to focus on 2-3 classes at a time rather than trying to spread ourselves thin across all 7.

The blog that you and everyone else like to refer to, came out just the other day. They’ve been working on these sets far longer than that, they just simply weren’t ready yet. So wait until next season, just like the 3 classes this season had to wait these past 3 months.

[Adda-1912]

@Gattaca-11613

Rathma rat runs and now LoD rat runs are their only viable build for pushing GR solo or group.

Umm, where have you been the past 2+ months this season? Inarius is performing just fine, whether using the meleemancer or death nova.

All sets in the game, with the exception of Firebirds, are operational and not broken. They can all be played properly, just at different levels and for different situations. You speak as if Necro is the only negated class in the game when it comes to sets. Every class will always have “under performing sets” in the eyes of players that aren’t happy.

Blizzard can’t please everyone, especially not all at once, they’ve said this, and they want to try to fix things, as quick as possible. The new sets are their priority, as they’ve been announced and they need to get them out in a timely matter as to not anger those patiently waiting for them.

[Tigerfate-1677]

I think the patch is great, I like the 3 new sets and I cant wait to be able to test them, it makes no sense to judge them before having the chance to test how the sets performs on ptr.

My only issue is that I thought adding some tweaks / small buffs to the sets / classes underperforming could provide additional flavor to season 20.

I’m sure we all expected 2 new sets while we actually got 3 which is amazing, I just wish if it’s not late that a small buff to other underperforming classes / sets would be considered before season 20 goes live, as I think it would make season 20 the best season ever.

[Bubu-2241]

If your benchmark is “difference in power on different lvs” than every set is fine. firebird is operational on torment 10 because everything is one hit without 6 piece bonus, so the set is just fine. The channeling nerf weakend all channeling skills of wizzard and not only nerfed “bazooka wizard”. that pretty much nerfed every channeling build depending on player skill lv. This 1 second delay make it pretty hard to keep up the ~700% damage increase, without dying or get knocked out or stuned by effects. Depending on how good you play this patch is a 3-8 gr nerf to builds that were allready 3-5 gr behind of “ok” builds (Archon, which is significant weaker than the new barb set btw) . That makes the channeling meteor builds very bad. So we have archon left and maybe the new hydra set which isnt looking very strong to me? Build diversity was striked hard. All for that that new shinny hydra build ? Maybe i am underestimating the “hydra set” but why the heck the nerf oblitareted so much not that strong wizzard builds. If the hydra set is a “present” to compensate the horrible executed bazooka nerf, they can keep it. even the DMO set starts looking strong compared to meteor builds after that nerf

[Zeromancer-2189]

I guess it was too much to ask for some simple number tweaks on Phalanx items yet again, a build that would be perfectly viable with LoN/LoD/Akkhan and doesn’t require a new set. (same could have been said about the HF set last season sadly).

Ah well, better luck in 4 months.

[Nokkternal-1784]

I am hoping we also see some buffs to existing legendaries/sets in Season 20.

[Kaczuś-2441]

I hope Crus will get buffs on others Builds: Hammerdin, maybe Condemn. I want it so much. Come on Blizz, let’s bring it. Honestly, Shotgun is already boring.

[PhearBunny-1825]

they may be predicting that the Kanai Cube change will put Necros and DH’s back in line. That would be my guess.

[SChris-21289]

thank you Nevalistis

[Volatility-11129]

Understandably it won’t happen all at once but I’m still really perplexed as to why it’s not given priority.

If what is been communicated is true, I really do hope that the DH’s set is formidable yet accessible, otherwise it’s just another mess they have added into the pool of drops we already have.

Also, plenty of existing items (e.g. why is Cage of the Hellborn not rolled with a default Discipline) that needs to be addressed but it has proven futile when it comes to giving said feedback.

[Altair-2253]

I am fine waiting for a new DH set in season 21. But in the meantime, you could at least increase the damage on the two main builds, i.e. Impale and Multishot, so that we can compete with other classes either in group (as RGK or trashkiller) or solo. It would be quite easy to do

[Myst-2251]

@Altair-2253

But in the meantime, you could at least increase the damage on the two main builds, i.e. Impale and Multishot, so that we can compete with other classes either in group (as RGK or trashkiller) or solo. It would be quite easy to do

I understand Nev, and all the reasons exposed…

But I do agree, this feels wrong. Just tweaking some (already) existing legendaries would be possible.

It’s just a change about one value, nothing else.
Don’t tell us they can’t at least do this.

[Danutz23-2463]

so no fix yet for Monk Temspest Rush Flury stacks reset due to speed?!? I stop playing in 2.6.7 due to this bug…
Nothing for DH as it far awy now from any other class?!?
No fix for incredible lags during public games? hello, we are in 2020 and your game has unbeliavable lags!!!

[Arnosega-2784]

I hope so. It doesn’t take a lot of work to change values and it would make us so happy.

[Gattaca-11613]

@Adda-1912

Umm, where have you been the past 2+ months this season? Inarius is performing just fine, whether using the meleemancer or death nova.

I think you and I have a far different opinion of what just fine exactly entails, at least when it comes to high GR’s.
Also, whenever people speak of the power of X or Y set or build, it is sans seasonal buff. Season buff is not relevant to the discussion.

Inarius is the best performing set out of all 4 of them thanks to the buff a couple patches ago but lets not pretend it’s anything special either. Especially given the janky mechanic of bonenado, but I digress.
I’ll just point out as well that in the 3 necro sets I was inquiring about Inarius was not mentioned.

At this stage in the game when people talk about solo GR viability it’s usually around the GR125-135 solo level.
Edit: with a minimum 2000 paragon which I think is the minimum expected by now for a fair amount of play.

[Apsie1944-2958]

@MissCheetah-1661

Criticism is fine. I do so as well. If you check my post history from today you can see my issues with the lack of crafting mat auto pickup, among other things.

I Know, but to still admire a company that just doesn’t care is… well…

@MissCheetah-1661

Reality - they know DH and Necro are not performing well. They were honest that they know and did not pretend that all was well. That is why they put it in the blog. No rug sweeping.

Really? because it is all a question of numbers: if they feel the DH and Necro are underperforming, they can easily do something about it, soup up the numbers seems appropriate…

@MissCheetah-1661

Do people want it faster? Yes. Do they want it rushed and screwed up? No.

How is it possible to screw this up? I mean, its a numbers game, they can easily dish out more damage or whatever?

@MissCheetah-1661

I have done hard jobs before…and I appreciate it when someone tries to see the challenges I face. It only seems fair to me that if I want that consideration, that I should have that same consideration for others, especially when I don’t do their job and know all the details.

Well, I don’t know all the details, that’s true, but it seems to me that a numbers game can be souped up and characters can be break down to see where it goes wrong, you don’t have to be a rocket scientist to see that…

How is it possible that a game from 2012 still has so much difference in character damage 8 years later? They talk about balance but do they even know where to look?

@Nevalistis

Very realistically, though, it’s just not going to happen all at once.

8 years and still struggling, I rest my case…

[Childe-1683]

@Nevalistis

I do think both classes need more attention than just their class sets

Please, please, please give some love to Danetta’s & Vault - Action Shot

[HailFall-1234]

@PhearBunny-1825

they may be predicting that the Kanai Cube change will put Necros and DH’s back in line. That would be my guess.

the game isn’t balacnced around season buffs.