Need to end +5 main stat grinding

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For the record, up until now I’ve played every season including vanilla of Diablo 3. I also raided in WOW every single expansion and vanilla. I’m 33 years old.

I cannot and will not do endless grinding for +5 main stat any more. I remember back when paragon first came out, the devs said, oh yeah when you get to paragon 800 there’s not much more to gain. 800.

It’s become stupid how much of their lives people are spending to get an advantage over the competition, and that’s not something I can be a part of.

I was trash clearing 4 player 130+, on my Witch Doctor in the 1st week or two, this season. For one, I was never rewarded with a primal to equip on my character. And two I got to the point I needed to do 13+ hours of gem up grinding in 70, 90, and 110 - to get my first round of augments. I would have replaced those augments eventually.

I was like, screw that, and went and beat The Last of Us Remastered on PS4 in 12.5 hours instead. And you know what? It was a blast!

Wow and Diablo reward those who mindlessly grind all day, every day, and ignore their work, family, art, friends, relationships. The best time in gaming for me was WOW in Wrath of the Lich King. We had 12 million players so you know Blizzard did it right.

Back then I would raid 2 nights a week, in Ulduar, Trial of the Grand Crusader, and Icecrown Citadel. The other five nights a week, I could work on music! Have time with my girlfriend! Hang out with friends! Do school work!

We could have most of our life going on and when we logged in to play on Tuesday and Thursday night we were as powerful as can be!

The current state of Diablo is so far from that. Basically if you’re not a streamer or using 3rd party programs, you stand no chance. And let me remind you I was doing 130+ in the first week or two of the season. All I would have had to do to clear 150 is grind augments and paragon.

People play this game too much. It’s become hard to compete in it. When the others are willing to give up their life for the game, it just isn’t fun.

Will I return? Only if paragon, weapon xp, or gem leveling is gone. Let me have a life outside of the game, so I can actually like playing.

And if blizzard does it for monthly active users, well… I honestly feel the game should go in the direction of story! It should do DLC / expansions / new games. Let there be a Diablo 5 within the next five years. Let it have a multiplayer and solo leaderboard. That’s what keeps me coming back too. The leaderboard.

But to be honest, I would feel happy just completing the story. When I beat The Last of Us in 12.5 hours on PS4 I had a really good experience! Much better than leveling augments for 13 hours, only to know I would replace them. Think about it.

There’s literally no point in coming back to the game, because I know nobody wants to play with a low paragon player. That’s right, give up your life and we’ll do the same. And forget anybody who has a life outside of the game. It’s unhealthy!

Drops mic.

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The Game is not preventing you from having a life.
If it’s not fun, don’t play it.
…and pick up that mic. Those things cost money, you know.

Didn’t you quit last year as well, for about 2 weeks?

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if you are grinding for paragon you are playing wrong. just do something that make the game fun for you, you are going to get exp anyway

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I remember when Paragon actually first came out. It went up to 100, was hero-specific, and granted 3 main stat, 2 vitality, 1 to each off-stat, 3% magic find and 3% gold find… https://i.imgur.com/fX0LI0q.jpg It wasn’t until Paragon v2 came out that it became account-wide and went higher than 100.

Okay, so don’t. Play for fun, and the paragon will be incidental.

Well, if I had to bet, I’d say yes, because you’ve made similar posts to this one every few months, where you say you’re done but come back each time.

Other than playing it to have fun, you mean?

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Limit paragon to say p1600, which most people can get to, even solo players if they apply themselves in a smart way. It’ll fix a lot of the woes with this game.

People playing for 20 hours a day - guys, this is NOT healthy. It’s not normal. You have an addiction and should be seeking help for it if that is you. Blizzard is failing its consumers by encouraging such bad behaviour imho. I know it’s up to the player to limit hours to healthy levels, but if Blizzard doesn’t make any mechanic in the game to enforce it, it will be abused.

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This is only thing that matters in that game, why to remove that?

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If you don’t want to grind paragon points then don’t.

Other players should be able to grind if they want to.

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I give you about 12 days before you’re back. How many times have you posted this same screed? 3? 6?

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It’s just game fatigue. I’m in the same boat. I don’t advertise it though, I play season long enough to get the simple portrait frame. 7 years is a long time for one game.
Just waiting to see D4 arrive (hopefully) So I understand.

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I remember a time where everyone straight out told you the short comings of the D3’s grind system and you told everyone how you’re enjoying yourself after all these years. Finding such thread started by you, is nothing short of shocking to be honest.

As for… Removing the paragon grind; you can not remove that. You can diminish the impact by prolonging the loot hunt and tweak some of the less used skillrunes, but you never can “remove” that as a developer. At least not after people wasted their years to reach 10k+ plvl.

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it sounds like you should quit diablo and go play other games

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Let me offer a different view.

I find it fun to make Diablo III Solitaire. This program is like dice and playing cards. Dice and cards are not a game. They are objects used to PLAY games. Many different games. Games with different rules, and play styles. The rules of Full House, are irrelevant to the rules of Blackjack. The program is NOT a game. It is a very, VERY complex item that you use to PLAY games :slight_smile:

You have gotten upset because you haven’t received or achieved what others have while playing THEIR game, because they are spending comparatively more time playing their game, than you have playing YOUR game, because you are living a real life. Don’t try to play THEIR game. Play your own game :slight_smile:

Whatever gear or achievements they have…whatever their score is, is completely irrelevant to achievements and score of your game.

Don’t compete if you have already won. And no one can say you haven’t won, because no one else is playing your game :slight_smile:

You think you are playing the other people’s game and they are winning unfairly, and have invented reasons to believe they shouldn’t be doing that, and are giving these reasons to the company, so that they will change their cards/dice in a way that makes you think you are doing just as well as the others with comparatively limited time you have spent playing because you have a real life you enjoy. :slight_smile:

Blackjack and Full House are related only in that they use the same cards to play. Someone’s score in full house is irrelevant to someone else’s score in blackjack.

OR I have completely misunderstood what I read, and so came to the wrong conclusion in my misanalysis…because that has happened often in my life. :slight_smile: Apologies to any who read my mistake :slight_smile:

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You have been grinding this game at a high level for every season the game is around and you are only P2800 non-season and p1100 this season? I don’t play meta, I usually tap out of the season 2-4 weeks in, and I rarely get over 100 hours in a season. I am p1800 non-season and p1400 this season with the buffed up Munududnudngudnu’s.

This smells like yet another TrvAix cry for attention thread.

Kinda like you said the last few times you quit. See you in S21.

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i actually am mobblasting 66% of the time, doing Grifts for 2 reasons:
-to upgrade my legendary gems as slot items.
-to upgrade my legendary gems to augment gear.

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It seems like the problem here is that you’re a completionist (me too, so don’t take it as an insult). You want to feel like you beat the game. D3 is set up on a treadmill to keep you playing. Most RPGs are, in fact. WoW, imho, is a bit of an oddity in that they’ve invested heavily in questing and story and they constantly try and keep new content coming rather than forcing you to grind the same stuff like many others.

D3 makes you grind rifts. They vary, but they’re the same challenge with bigger numbers. You get bigger numbers, bump up the difficulty, and the monsters get bigger numbers. The problem here is that you feel you need to “beat the game” and while you’re just doing the same thing over and over, you’re not having fun. You’re farming GR 130s. IMO, you have beaten the game. But you want the 150, so you grind. You’re right that it’s unhealthy, but you control when you stop.

Ultimately, if you’re designing a game, you want to give players a reason to come back and play again. How?

  • Write more story/content (maps, quests, zones, story, challenges, etc) - This is very developer intensive, expensive, and slow. And players chew through years worth of development in ~12.5 hours, as you did. Not a great strategy
  • Randomize to create new content - This is what rifts are. They attempt to give you a new challenge using randomization instead of hand-developed content. It’s less developer intensive, far less expensive, and infinitely reusable. This is the D3 strategy.
  • Create grinds/treadmills - This is where developers create very little content but force you to do incredibly amounts of work to actually see it. Notice I didn’t call it playing? Because grinding is work. You want that shiny new weapon? Or that awesome looking mount? Grind for a month. Grind for a year. WoW has a lot of these, and players respond well to them as long as there’s an end point.
  • Create the infinite grind - This is what paragon is. It’s the laziest form of development, but it gets the player playing the longest. It exploits completionists like you and me and our desire to feel like we’ve finished the game. But this can’t be finished, so you keep playing, only to compare yourself to other players who are doing the same thing. It incentivizes all the wrong behaviors: botting, unhealthy long play sessions, etc. Blizz said they created this so that no matter what you’re doing, if you play you still get a reward. It’s true. You get +5 main stat per paragon, but it’s an infinite carrot on a stick.

Diablo’s core has always been randomness, which is in itself a grind. Personally, I hope they take some lessons from WoW about limiting the length of some of these grinds and giving a few more guarantees. I find myself less and less interested in “chasing the infinite” the older I get.

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I would suggest you go back through the OP’s thread history. This is just the latest example of a regular series of threads where he announces he’s quitting, then announces he’s coming back. It’s all about attention…

Quitting in July 2019…

Returning in August 2019…

Buying a second account to do it all over again in February 2020…

Also, doesn’t this sound a tad suspicious…

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You’ve finally learned the secret!

Congrats!

Enjoy the game, and don’t be a slave to the grind. If you can’t enjoy the game for what it has to offer then move on.

I’m glad you finally figured this out.

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Bye Felicia. No one has forced your hand

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IMO once you’ve reached being able to comfortably run the highest torment rifts, you’ve passed through the endgame barrier. With all of the power creep that has occurred since the release of Loot 2.0, the endgame barrier keeps arriving more quickly.

I can only play a maximum of maybe a couple hours a night. The first couple of seasons, it took me month or two to get a solid geared character up to the highest torment difficulty. Now it takes about 1-2 weeks, after which the game becomes boring.

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Is this a game or a soap opera?