So, nearly a week into the season and I’ve had 10 legendary daggers drop (playing DH here, console PS4, SC)…guess what the breakdown is…
9 LGFs
1 pig sticker.
Where are the karleis points? So much for 50/50 drop rate lol…
did you nerf the karleis drop rate or am I just being my usual very unlucky?
Struggled with it as well.
Even my charity primal was a LGF.
Switched to GoD, so I guess it doesn’t matter for me anymore.
you on console or PC? Just curious. I will continue to monitor legendary dagger drop rates from mob for the rest of the season to see if it evens out (it technically should obviously). it’s disconcerting to see even a small sample size so heavily skewered.
Playing on PC.
It was the very first thing that annoyed me this season.
Burnt all my mats trying, only getting LGF’s, and a single Chakram knife.
Interesting. I wonder if they’ve nerfed shadow set stuff too, as shadow set pieces are dropping far less often than any other DH set piece so far. Consistently and massively less than other set pieces. I’ve had like 25 GOD gloves drop so far (and 3 shadow set gloves…).
Blizzard shouldn’t be playing with RNG drop rates to push people into particular sets/builds, they should all be equal in their drop rate and let the player choose…
Not on console, but I’ve had a primal Karlei’s, Shadow chest and Chain of Shadows belt and that’s before I’ve even managed to get some of the other pieces as ancients. It’s all just RNG. I’ve not noticed any prevalence of one set over another.
Chakram one is a sword.
Dude. If you miss the mark on matters like this, you come across as whiny, paranoid, and all that stuff. Tread carefully when accusing of such thing.
I for one had no problem getting Karleis. Even after I transitioned to GoD, still got some Karlei, including crappy ancient one.
Does console version have upgrade rare cube function? Cause Pig Sticker isn’t part of DH drop in that. It seems you’re not using that cube function.
16 straight LGFs upgraded rares before my first KP. 50% chance my …
in s21? or are you referring to NS?
that’s the thing, I have. I have found shadow set consistently rarer to drop than any other DH set piece over many seasons play. The same applies to the HPS quiver. It is far rarer to drop than any other quiver, by a considerable margin. Last 3 seasons, 20k+ blood shards spent at Kadala before she dropped a HPS quiver. That’s 3 seasons in a row.
tell you what, Blizzard can give me unfettered access to the source code for the game and I’ll prove I’m right. I base my accusation on many seasons of experience. You base your comment on fanboyism it seems.
Duh re: pig sticker. That was part of the joke - a non DH dagger dropped from a monster before karleis has…
Yes, console has the cube, that wasn’t the point. I said “drop rate”. That implies drop rate from a monster, afterall, D3 is a monster loot game, no? One shouldn’t have to use the cube (although I obviously do). I’m referring to pure drops from monsters. Again, 9 LGFs and 1 pig sticker (not even DH class as you pointed out!) and not a single karleis yet. On a 50/50 chance, that’s 2^9, or 1/512 chance of happening. Doesn’t quite sound like 50/50 to me wink wink.
the fanboys will tell you it’s all “RNG” lol. I too have had constant issues with getting a karleis from rare upgrade at the start of the season - the past 3 seasons it has taken at least 9 rare upgrades to get a karleis drop. Not as bad as you thankfully (worst for me was 12 rare upgrades). edit: if my maths is correct, that’s a 1/64000 chance of happening.
Hell, even getting a socket on a ring is constantly requiring me to re-roll a primary stat 30+ times in s21 (3 rings, all 3 took 30+ re-rolls before a socket dropped, s21). Mind you, if the game was well designed, a socket would be a mandatory roll on a piece of jewelry anyway, but I digress.
Because it is RNG, you will notice a lack of post about this issue that’s because people that do not have bad are unlikely to post how they got a Karlei on their second try.
I have had a fair 50/50 so far between the daggers, I have had a good amount of ancients for shadow I even downgraded my chest because the ancient lacked all res unfortuantely, have also gotten a good spread quivers about 5 HPS so far, what I haven’t had luck with is the GOD set I have every other set some of which I have even assembled twice, but have only gotten 3 pieces of GOD as drops and all 3 have been shoulders, still waiting for 3 more to start converting them.
Yeah~ right. I’ve seen that argument plenty of time. You accuse me of fanboi, I’m just tired of ‘rigged’ nonsense since HS forum. Only whiners seem to come up with that argument. BTW, HS playerbase has noticed several anomalies, reported it with data, and Blizz updated it accordingly. And even when those playerbase didn’t find any sign of ‘rigging’, how much weight those complainers have?
Heard that plenty of time also, feelings. No, my comment is based on my experience also, which counteracts your experience. Again, had plenty of these, my experience, which gets counteract by other’s experience.
Rest is you still talking about your experience. That wasn’t my experience.
Whiners will say ‘it’s not rng’, but something shady. Logical people will want data/proof before believing it. As I said, my experience differs from yours. So how’s your narrative going?
I would believe if somethings are ‘weighted’. Doesn’t mean it’s rigged. For instance, if I’m not playing Shadow impale build, I wouldn’t want Karlei in the first place. If the game is weighted against Karlei, what shady intention, rigging is there for that player? It’s just how it is, but shadow impale players like yourself will take that as ‘rigged’ because it affects them.
But then again, there were some stuffs I would’ve thought to be ‘weighted’. Data suggested otherwise. Like Festering Woods GR map pointed by some other guy. Data suggests all maps have a equal chance to spawn. So majority of ‘I think’, ‘feel’ stuff are just negativity bias at work.
You were lucky, a Goldskin dropped for my DH.
Really?
It’s Season 21.
My hero’s called TwentyOne.
I even included a hyperlink to her armoury profile in my post.
so, because my experience doesn’t match your experience, my experience is nullified, correct? Because my experience with RNG has been consistently negative, I’m wrong, right?
yeah, let’s peruse the game’s source code…that doesn’t lie.
OK, you go into a legal casino with that argument…the casino will get done for federal crimes for that “weighting” lol…
what is the ulterior motive in this? Perhaps it is Blizzard doesn’t want people playing s6 impale? That’s a pretty easy logical deduction to make, no? Of course, if you think Blizzard would never stoop to such lows…
and I call BS. I get 10x more banished realms, barracks, bone sewers maps than any other map in the game. Consistently. Over 10 seasons. That “data” doesn’t tend to suggest equality in RNG of map spawning, at least to my uncoloured eyes.
so, you’ve had 3 primals for your build drop in s21? Correct?
Yes, you are unlucky because I found 2 Karlei in one night for my season character.
https://i.imgur.com/6txNXy8.png
Also, if you are seriously want to find Karlei, use upgrade rare on rare dagger. You will have better odds on that.
You serious? 
Your narrative is that ‘the game is rigged’, something along those lines because your experience says so. I’m saying my experience differs with you. You were the one who ‘nullified’ my experience and continued on with that ‘rigged’ stuff. No, I’m not nullifying your experience. Your experience + my experience → no rigging. You still want to nullify my experience so that you could continue on with your narrative.
You pay whatever billions of dollars and purchase it. So go right on.
Not the same. If you think they are, 
. Also, yes, if you can prove it.
Not when my experience says otherwise. Oright. You nullified my experience. Still doesn’t means it’s gone or invalid.
The data other guy showed similar % for each map. Where’s your data?
Priceless. Why do always the illogical and biased people think they’re unbiased? Unbiased people step back and participate in the debate. Biased people always bring their experience in it, not data. It’s personal to them, so they’re always biased. And no, I brought in my experience to counter yours, not as a personal mean.
Oh yeah. Computer code. If it’s rigged, it should be rigged to everyone, including people like me. As the game doesn’t seem to be ‘rigged’ towards me, it more means it’s not rigged. Unless you want argue it is only rigged towards certain group of people like some HS complainers did. Had plenty of that also, so go right on if that’s what you want to argue.
If this was broken, why isn’t everyone getting the same experience as you? This is like tossing a coin once, getting tails, and coming to the conclusion that heads will never happen. Your sample size (i.e. your own drops) is a ridiculously inadequate population size to interpolate from. You’re wrong because you’ve already got counter examples in this thread that not only do not support your conclusion, they directly contradict and refute it.
Yes. I’ve also had an INT based Chaingmail chest, and a Rapid Fire quiver.
let’s follow this logic. Why am I consistently having bad RNG then? Over thousands of hours and every season since s10, and NS too?
That is what I did. But - I am examing drop rates from monsters, since this is a monster killing ARPG loot driven game. It was never touted as a crafting game (PoE is far better in this respect).
I didn’t nullify your experience, I stated my experience (which is obviously different to yours). You’re now effectively telling me to shut up because my experience doesn’t match yours. If there are 12 quivers in the game, and 11 of them have the same drop rate and the 12th is significantly lower, that is not balanced. At least, not in my eyes.
I would say the opposite.
That’s a nice way to defend this company, isn’t it?
They are the same. There’s been enough court cases globally that have shown that gambling in game is considered gambling and covered by gambling laws. EA lawsuit anyone?
When I run thousands of GRs, and festering woods etc drop perhaps =< 5% of the time as a map spawn, and 3 other maps pretty much 90% of the time, that does not denote equality (odds) in my eyes. You can certainly make of it what you want, I will make of it as I see it, based on my experiences with the game.
experience is data. So; now, you’re having a nice personal attack against me because my experience differs from yours and I dare utter my experiences with the game. Nice. Of course, you’re in no danger of getting a ban from the infamous Blizzard stasi mods, since you’re sticking up for this crappy company.
Nothing would surprise me, it’s technically very easy to do.
Did you not read several other posts in this thread? Of course not, you want to vilify me to stand up for the company that you adore lol. This is not the first time you have attacked me either. But, since you’re a staunch Blizzard lover, no punishment for you! Blizzard only bans those who stand up to them and expose how badly they support this game and dodgy RNG.
There are 2 others supporting my statement, and yourself and League arguing against it. By my count, that’s 3 for the affirmative, and 2 for the nay.
That is a great question that i’d like the answer to. Many others have posted on these forums over the years about bad RNG and consistent BAD RNG. Each time, people like you vilify them and protect Blizzard. The old forums you just got down voted, with these new forums, Blizzard removed that but now just ban people who criticise the company/game.
See above ^^
3 primals for your build, in s21, in under a week? Must be botting…
So, because maths and logic beat feelings, you’re now just going to insult me and accuse me of being a cheat? Pretty sure this sort of thing is covered by the Code of Conduct, i.e. the Harassing and Defamatory section. But sure, just for a giggle, why not let’s examine your claim…
TwentyOne is paragon 838 and six of her gear pieces aren’t even ancient yet.
I finished Guardian on the 6th, with 36 hours played…
https://i.imgur.com/frXwNgT.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/kSPr6Bl.jpg
It’s now the 9th, and I have 43 hours played…
https://i.imgur.com/Ikoad3W.jpg
A difference of 36 rifts/GRs and 0 bounties, in seven hours played, over three days.
Dang~
Narrative: The game is rigged.
Evidence: Your experience.
My experience goes against that. So who’s trying to ‘nullify’ who’s experience again? I’m going against your narrative, not your experience. It’s beyond me of how you think otherwise. I’m trying to nullify your experience, pfffffffff.
Too bad the world is not just you. My experience and other’s should indicate that you were just having a bad rng. You can call me and others liars, which would’ve been petty, but much more logical than your current approach now.
Read above. I fully get your experience, that you’re having a bad rng. Doesn’t mean the game is rigged when other’s experience say otherwise, which you keep a blind eye to, trying to ‘nullify’ them.
No, that’s just being realistic. Why would a billion dollar company show their code to you?
You mean the loot box one? Dude. Even HS had more in line with that case, still a long shot. D3 is not even close with it.
You can. Doesn’t mean it’s an accurate one. And is this a console thing? Cause even though I didn’t count it, I doubt GR only has 4 maps.
No, reciting ‘my experience’ is called ‘anecdotes’. Also no, you were the one who used the word ‘fanboi’ in this. And the part you quoted, it’s a response to your ‘uncolored eyes’ when it’s clear in this thread you are indeed biased. Your experience + other’s experience can’t never equate to ‘game rigged’. Call others liars or mistaken. That’s a way logical approach.
And you act just like any complainers which I saw plenty of in the HS forum. No data, proof = don’t believe it. There is absolutely nothing wrong in this statement. But because some people don’t follow your narrative that doesn’t have any proof, they’re being a fanboi, defending, sticking up to some company?
It wouldn’t surprise me either. Problem is, still no proof. And anything that was uttered in HS forum was countered very easily.
That’s not how logic works . First off, as someone said, only people who are having a bad rng will come to the forum or voice out loud their complaint. This skews the data. Second, if certain ‘rule, pattern’ doesn’t apply to some people, that means it’s not a rule, pattern.