I don’t care what blizzard says. I don’t care what anyone else says. If using a third party program to gain an unfair advantage over other players is not cheating then I don’t know what is.
The most egrigious example would be bazooka wiz macros basically playing the build for you… God forbid you learn a basic ability rotation.
Either add it for everybody in game, or ban people who use it to gain an unfair advantage. Turning a blind eye to cheating with third party software is disgraceful
Gotta up that thread count, man. Shooting for that TL3.
Seriously, don’t feed the trolls.
i don’t think Daddy Blizzard has made clear that macros are cheating. Macros are just key combinations to improve qol.
i believe what you said was actually referring to scripts. however, correct me, I don’t recall scripts are defined as cheating neither? if players use Logitech mice and those mice support scripts, they wouldn’t be considered as 3rd party as the function is part of the systems providing the game environment.
i am not a lawyer but i think Blizzard cant simplify tell advanced computer systems are breach of end user license?
I wish it wasn’t, but it is. As an office worker, who works on the computer 9 to 5, it pains me to say, my passion for Diablo 3 after hours will just bring on arthiritis much earlier. If they can make an exception for macros in WoW, why can’t they do that in Diablo 3? It’s not like it’s botting.
If leaderboard is such a thing, they could just have a mechanism that disables macros in GRs or something.
tbh they should let me macro all my condemn saders abilities to one button and not ban me.
This way i can avoid carpal tunnle.
Theres no skill, timing or anything behind it…its just MASH ALL YOUR BUTTONS NONSTOP WITH NO RHYME OR REASON. May as well just let me bind it all to Key #1, and let me tape the key down with some duct tape.
If people are cheating so what. They are not hurting you in anyway. They only hurt themselves. Its not like there is something they can get that you dont.
The others are right. There is no way to really tell if things like that are being used. So might as well just accept it and move on.
To be honest the screaming about cheating is like yelling life isn’t fair. To which you would get the reply of no joke now deal with it.
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The others are right. There is no way to really tell if things like that are being used. [/quote]
Of course there is, just open your eyes back in town after a rift has closed. If someone is still spamming skills, then they’re using NumLock.
I spam skills in town for the fun of watching them go off whats your point.
This topic is as old as the hills HailFail. Why the need to create another one?
Seems like a low quality troll to me.
I guess we should also believe that you’re just playing with the loose change in your pockets, too.
Actually I walk around with 3 bucks in quarters that I am always messing with. Its mostly for eye hand coordination training as well as speed. It beats a fidget spinner any day. When I dont have that then I am always messing with my butter fly knife. Still not sure your point.
So no you cant tell. Also where I rest my hands has one of my keys for my skills held down due to no cooldown so no harm in spamming it.
Hehe, you got me. I LOL’d.
pretty sure Num lock is allowed.
They don’t really make an exception in WoW either. WoW has a built in macro system in the game that has significant limits as to what you can do. It does not let you use skill 1, 2, and 3 at the same time or put in delays.
If you use outside software to do things that the in-game macro builder does not allow, they suspend or ban you. It used to happen far more frequently than it does now though.
The statement Blizz usually gives is that you are not to use outside software to do things that you can’t do with the in-game controls, especially if it gives an advantage. They especially don’t like automation of skill rotations and things like that. The rule of thumb is one in-game action per keypress per game client.
Well that’s why I say blizzard could implement it for everyone optionally. But your idea of allowing macros that prevent your run from getting on the leaderboard is fine too imo
the most egrigious example would be bazooka wiz macros basically playing the build for you…
buddy… even with macros the bazooka wizard is still way more complex and challenging to play compared to previous firebat trash killer.
OK, thanks for being clear. I recall there was a blue post saying no one will be banned by using macros, as long as it does not provide automation. A guy asked for further clarification what is automation and then the post was not answered and then locked instead.
surely scripts shouldn’t be allowed but I think Blizzard should listen to players. warcraft 3 even has autocast. why Diablo 3 would not provide some qol improvement? why can’t we have autocast for short duration but short cooldown skills? or make duration and cooldown longer respectively?
Diablo 3 is an ARPG but not a moba type game. we really appreciate if Blizzard would consider some qol improvement for old men. seriously, playing zmonk is…
botters are always there and must be banned as we can’t satisfy cheaters whatever we do, botters always demand more. however, macros, i mean hitting a key repeatedly, in my opinion should be considered more deeply before it is defined as cheating. just don’t want to go to hospital because of Tenosynovitis.
Numlocking is not a Macro.
I still see no harm in such Macros that allow you to hold your mouse button to keep spending shards with Kadala for example or scraping legendaries at the blacksmith. Infact I believe most Diablo 3 streamers use this. This does not effect fair play at all, and saves you millions of unnecessary key strokes. Maybe things such as this can be implemented in game as QoL. Kinda silly in a game meant to be a grind fest to have every day chores be just as physically demanding, when it does not effect fair play in leaderboards at all.
I don’t disagree with this. It is up to the game maker to figure out what they want as “fast” and what they don’t. We used to have to click every single item to scrap them. Now we can scrap all whites, blues, or yellows. Blizz listened to us and gave us the ability to do most of it really fast.
They do want us to stop and think before destroying Legendary items though - because there is no way to undo it if you make a mistake. There are no second by second logs for D3 so if you mess up, it can destroy a build/gear set. It is all about trade offs. Is the convenience of scrap all Leg worth the errors that will be made? Is there a way to do it that helps prevent issues? Maybe only reg Leg can be scrapped in a mass amount but Ancients or Primals require a click to confirm?
Personally, I would go with scrap all reg Leg with a confirm on the rarer items. The previous decision was made when Legendary were the top items. Now that we have better gear and people are looking ONLY for those, the lower level leg are just as useless as a yellow. Might as well adjust the game so that only the top items require the confirmation (Ancient and Primal).
For Blood Shards…that can be done so fast I am not sure anything else is needed. However, if someone wanted, they could just let you enter a quantity and it processes it as a single transaction. They do that for vendors in other games so you don’t have to click 20 times to buy 20 potions/herbs/whatever.
So really what I am saying is the solution is not macros, but a change to the game systems to eliminate the repetitive activity when the clicks have no benefit to the game process.