i think this lon buff without rings should stay as permanent. it opens up new plays and you should buff old legendarys for new mix and match play styles. and then take sets under radar and buff some of usless sets or shall we say underpowered.
i agree, it really brings so much more to the game than anything else has done in a long time
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While I do agree with you wholeheartedly, I do not think they will do it because they will lose a Season Theme.
Perhaps they can introduce a Season theme that builds on it?
Maybe make it a single ring that gives the bonus that can be extracted like RoRG, then they can remove the ring requirement, like in the Season of Grandeur?
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Or even better: Make it an innate passive effect for ancients/primals.
This would encourage increased playtime aka grinding for ancients/primals, as well as further build exploration.
Primals should offer something extra though. Maybe an additional 100% damage increase from 750% to 850% and increased damage reduction, from 4% to 6%. You’d get an extra 1200-1300% damage if you’re decked out in all primals.
That’ll make primal hunting more of a priority, which would increase play time. I mean after all that’s what Blizzard wants, no? People continuing to play their games for as long as possible.
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Again, I think that is a great idea, but what about them losing a Season Theme?
I don’t think they will go for it if they have to remove a theme from the rotation.
Correct me if im wrong here in my theorycrafting
Season 17 has the buff as long as you dont use a set item, you get the LoN Bonus right?
But i have a set item for the Necromancer with all ancients now, so boo hoo no LoN bonus for me right?
So why don’t i just use my LoN set to counteract it? Does that make sense?
Thanks
You can use as many set items as you like and still get the LoN bonus, as long as you have no other set bonuses.
For the Season Conquest, you have to not use any set pieces, but that does not apply to LoN.
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We’ve never had themes before up until 2-3 seasons ago. I think we’ll manage just fine.
Besides, what LoN does is add more build diversity, and at the very least encourages experimentation. There’s no downsides to this.
It’s boring using the same set over and over, the monotony makes you burn out faster. LoN delays that.
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Set BONUS, not set item.
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You’re wrong.
Wrong. You get the LoN effect as long as you don’t have any other set bonus in effect. This means you can wear a single item from any set, but if you put a second item from the same set on, granting you a 2-piece set bonus, you’d lose the LoN effect.
LoN works with individual set pieces equipped.
The GR45 solo conquest requires you to have no set items at all.
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I’d say at most the LoN buff should be either moved to a single item or a passive skill. I wouldn’t keep it as a completely free buff. There has to be something to balance it.
Yes i know about the set bonus
Ixwant to use my inarius set from head to toe then use LoN to counteract the bonus
Feasible?
I meant using a complete set. Yes i know i can use a set item piece
No.
If you have any set bonus active, you do not get the LoN Bonus.
You get the bonus from the items themselves, with higher Stat ranges.
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Absolutely not. Buffs must remain equal for both ancients and primals. Some of the LoN builds are already some of the most powerful in the game without this extra buff.
Furthermore it does not make useless primals any more useful. Primals are nothing special.
They’re primals. Considering how rarer they are and the amount of material one wastes on average to reroll even a mediocre primal should give a little MORE back in return.
And indeed this would make even useless primals a bit more useful, while still gearing anyway, until you’ve finally nailed your build.
And how is that a bad thing? Because they finally provide an alternative to the same tired builds everyone copies from the internets? 
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The biggest and worst issue about giving extra buff per primal is that it makes primals mandatory in builds. Anything else than primal would be suboptimal.
Builds require specific items with specific affixes. Random primal will never be a substitute for the required item, no matter how much extra buff primal provides. Due to the rarity of primals getting primal versions of the required items with correct affixes is extrely difficult.
Primals are nothing special nor should they be. It was a massive mistake to add them in the game.
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No. You are over thinking this. ANY set bonuses cancel out LoN, whether as a passive buff or wearing the LoN set. That means no Compass Rose/Travelers Pledge, no Istvan’s paired blades, no Danetta’s crossbows, no Krelms buff bonuses, not 2 pieces of armor from one set and 2 from another, etc… No set pieces bonuses.
Personally I only found the LON buff of value on day 1 of the season
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and what i really liked about lon buff as a hc player. when i died i had to farm for certain ancients pieces again, set items drops like flies but to get certain ancients with certain stats made it a challange and made me even do alot of bounties that i dont usually do.
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