Innas Monk, my 2 cents - Filthy Casual

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So, I am messing around with the different Monk sets to see which one I will play in Season 27, if I choose to play the Monk after Barb and DH.

I played PoJ set the most. I like it. It’s smooth, mindless, and fun. It’s a lot better than Sun Wuko, that’s for sure. I played around with Raiment since one of the sanctified powers is a spirit generator. It lacks power now, so S27 might be able to help it out, I don’t know. I didn’t test it in PTR. I used to like Ulania, back in the day, but not anymore. Maybe S27 will help that set too, I don’t know. I didn’t test that in PTR either.

Last, but not least, Inna’s set. I played around with this one w/earth ally. It has problems.

(1) The earth allies don’t do crap for damage, even with 10 of them. Pointless.
(2) Of course, damage is in the boulders, bla bla bla. Ok…
(3) Get a good build up on Way of a 100 Fists: Assimilation and pop those bad boys. Ok.
(3) They tear shlitz up… when they work, a third of the time they don’t.
(4) Sometimes the earth allies disappear and I am sol w/out my posse.
(5) Sometimes the earth allies are boulders for only a few seconds.
(6) After the short boulder duration, they either disappear or it’s back to 2 allies.
(7) When the boulders do work, they run amok all over the screen.
(8) My favorite is when the boulders are traveling over open space off the tile set.
(9) Sometimes they are anchored in one spot and spin around erratically. No damage.
(10) Unless the RG is on top of me or I am on top of the RG, the boulders are useless.

Even with all that, I still facerolled a GR 100 with only 1454 paragon and only my weapons being ancients. No augments. I used shenlongs. One 2574 and the other 2571. They both had crappy stats on them, so I rolled for a socket on each. The rest of my gear just normal stuff with a few good stats here and there, mainly crap. My gems were level 90. Enforcer, Trapped, Stricken. I can see why it is getting a big fat nerfbat.

I have almost all 125 augmented gear for my PoJ build and I can barely survive/clear a GR 100. Granted I need better weapons, but still my sheet damage and dexterity is more with PoJ vs. Inna’s.

From what I read… the boulders are the issue. I agree 100%. They don’t work all the time as intended. If anything, fine tune the boulders vs. gimping the set.

(1) They should attack what the Monk attacks… with a spirit generator.
(2) Decrease the amount of time the earth allies spend as boulders.
(3) Decrease the amount of damage they do, take away the knock up, add a slow instead.
(4) Decrease the earth allies from 10 to 5 and increase the damage reduction to 10% each.
(5) If that is still a little damage heavy, then skim some damage from the set.

That’s my 2 cents. I don’t like the Inna’s set/build at all. I doubt I would even if the earth allies were worth a damn or if the boulders worked better, a lot better. Still, I have to jump on that band wagon and agree that 900 from 3000 is too much. Honestly, I would have started with 1500 as a quick fix for the time being.

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Nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnoooobish 20

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I am using a new account. I stopped playing the old one in season 22. I still remember the old Inna’s set having all of the allies at once. I didn’t care much for it then either. I played mostly LoN builds until the LoD gem was introduced.

I started when D3 released. The first class for me to defeat Diablo in HC was the Monk. Yeah. No sets. No cube. No adventure mode. No paragon levels. Besides the RMAH, I didn’t see anything wrong with the game expect the D1 and D2 rehash bosses and areas. Over time it bothered me less and less because the game was fun.

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You dislike Inna gameplay
You play Inna

Maybe consider not doing that.

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Kikaha

So, I am messing around with the different Monk sets to see which one I will play in Season 27.

I guess you missed that?

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No. I don’t like it, never did. However, I still don’t think that it needs to be nerf’d to the ground either. Many people use ‘effective’ GR push builds they don’t enjoy playing for fast loot, gem upgrades, and now EN rotations… for at least an easy 125 gem for quick augments. Some also use builds they don’t care for because they are really great at bounties, db farming, and t16 rifts.

I guess you missed that too?

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Don’t play Earth Ally, problem solved. Latest change brings back the Fire Ally buff to the BotLG bracers. Maybe Inna got a hard nerf, but the bonus from BotLG now has almost quadrupled. BotLG used to tripple the damage (by 200% increase plus base, equals 3.0x) , but Fire Ally receiving three times of that it hits 7 times the damage per hit.

Most of the pushing guides with Earth Ally suggest that you town portal out the moment Earth Ally is desynchronized to get them back. Best you can do however, treating Earth Ally as a farming build and not including Crudest Boots. Their abilities last longer when you equip Crudest in the setup and it becomes harder to recover when they got stuck somewhere miles away from you.

PoJ is absurdly strong actually.

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The last time I played Inna’s, it got all of the Allies. Since fire ally grants that 10% increase to damage (boots spawning 2 of them), I usually go with that one. I think at one point, I used the air ally for the spirit regen (again boots spawning 2 of them). I forget what my spirit spender was with that build. I have used earth ally in the past for the boost to health. It’s great in the early stages of HC mode.

If I do decide to play Monk in S27, I will go with PoJ. I know none of the sanctified powers, but using an Angelic Crucible will grant a free primal. So, I will wait until I have my build set up and see which pieces are still normal and then pop an Angelic Crucible on it for the better stats. I wouldn’t say that “PoJ is absurdly strong actually,” but it’s strong enough to farm GR 90’s and do solo EN’s for those fast 125’s.

Now granted, later on in the season, if I get bored enough… then I will start looking at different builds with my existing characters. It’s Barb and DH for sure. Either Sader or Monk after that, maybe even both if I am really bored. So… I may mess around with Inna’s again, try out the other sanctified powers since I didn’t in the PTR. Who knows?

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Before the incoming nerf to Inna’s, PoJ was just right behind the Inna’s and LoD. Hell, before Inna renewed to be the master Set for MA spam, PoJ was the second best Monk builds after LoD WoL spec.
If you open up leaderboards, you’ll see for yourself too. With good amount of augments you supposed to hit above GR100 with ease or at least able to speedfarm through it with no problems.

Shifting the main character is fun actually. Alas, after Haedrig’s Gift spent, things get abit slow going.
In case you gonna try other Monk powers at S27, appears WoL sanctified power synergizes with quite a few setups (PoJ, LoD, SWK) while WotHF is good for stacking Stricken or using it with Raiment. Lastly SSS sanctified power is only for Uliana or when you’re very creative with LoD.

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Yeah, I’ll look at the LB’s when I set up my S27 Monk. Maybe, I’ll go with the Azurewrath this time instead of using Vengeful Wind when I PoJ. I’ll see if people are sticking with earth allies with Inna’s or if they swapped over to fire ally. I may fart around with raiment’s or ulania’s, but I doubt it. It truly depends on how bored I am and what condition my main characters are in first.

I usually start with the Barb, then swap over to the DH. Later I start with Sader, then swap over to the Monk. That was how I did those 4 classes, later on I would plop in one of the others for a short stint here and there. I liked all of the classes in D2, but I really don’t care for the Int classes in D3.

I do like messing around with LoD builds, LoN before the gem was introduced. All this on a previous account tho. Oh well, starting a new and having fun. I am looking forward to S27. I did season 1 - 22, then took a break so I missed out on season 23-25 and started 2 months into S26 on this account here.

I think I may just stick to Barb, Sader, Dh, and Monk.

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DERP! :man_facepalming: I completely forgot about the Flurry rune for Tempest Rush. I kept thinking, there is something missing. Where is my build up for burst dps? Yeah, it’s been a minute and it will be a nice trek through trials and errors before I get back into the swing of things. I just finished a GR 100 in 4:44 of all times. Not great, especially vs. Inna’s, but a lot better than 8-9 minutes.

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I was gonna warn you about that but then I thought perhaps you were going for speedfarm instead so I let it slip. Lightning rune of TR is good for speedfarm but lacks bursts.

Also I think you should get rid of SoJ and go with CoE; SoJ is useless unless you stacked a very good amount (around 100-125%) of lightning elemental skill damage. Try wearing 2 piece of Captain Crimson’s crafted Set, cube RoRG and replace Unity with CoE. The idea here is buffing yourself (Breathe and/or Blinding Flash) on the cold (for TR-Flurry) or lightning (for SW-Cyclone) cycle of CoE depending on how far you are from the monsters.

That works too but again you’d want CoE instead of SoJ. I have made a SoJ PoJ at S25 and it’s okayish doing GR110 in a breeze.

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Ill miss inna. I did my first solo 150 with it.

About tempest rush… in the right conditions… so much fun! But, any map with doors is a restart, cant take speed pylons, teleporters wreck you. I was pushing monkey king, was like 8 minutes ahead on a 130, got that dood who teleports you & couldn’t finish lol.

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Exploding Palm Ulianna is so underrated good.

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The nerf was not to tone it down,
The nerf was to send it into oblivion.

It’s totally Unjustifieble - there’s no reasoning to look at it any other way.

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Yeah its a fun play style, but could use a bit more dmg.

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Yeah, I am slowly revamping my PoJ Monk. For the life of me I can’t get a CoE (not even on my DH’s), not even one with Str (playing Barb or Sader) on it so I can reroll it to Dex. I have gambled for rings, upgraded rare rings, and every ring that drops is anything but CoE.

The RNG in this situation is some of the worst math I have seen in ages. Granted I started the season late, 2 months in, but I should have seen ONE by now. At least ONE!

Right now, I have Zodiac, Unity, and Squirts on. The SoJ I had was the best one and I rolled off the holy damage for a socket to keep the +6% crit hit.

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Of course, having altism (my Grim Dawn account is even worse lol) doesn’t help either. My attention and resources/materials are spread out way too wide/thin. I’ll be more precise next season. DH Clusteray (most likely fiire damage again) or Strafe (classic version). I’ll use the armory this time, so only one DH character. I will have 3 Barbs though, one for each sanctified power. Frenzy will take the third spot. PoJ Monk will take my third class/fifth character. I will keep that set up for as long as possible before I delve into the depths of multitoonage due to shear and utter boredom.

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Apache222

Yeah, the McFlurry rune has some major draw backs, especially for solo play. (1) If you get shoved even the slightest, you drop your stacks. (2) Opening a door drops your stacks. (3) Levels that are too dang short are a waste of stacks because there are no champs or rares to splode on. (4) Going into the next level drops your stacks. (5) Sometimes, just moving around, the stacks drop randomly. (6) Sometimes the stack explosion doesn’t work at all. That reminds me of the earth ally/boulder issue. (7) Activating a pylon drops the stacks, makes nemesis bracers worthless in that respect.

When it works, it works like a charm. When it doesn’t, it’s nothing more than a pretty animation.
There are other things in this game that need attention vs. gimping Inna’s.

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naksiloth

I thought about the Breath of Heaven (Blazing Wrath). Last time I used that skill (rune) it was a 45% increase damage not a 10%. Yeah, it’s been a long while. I did use Blinding Flash (Faith in the Light) at first, but I otped for the for the Cyclone Strike (Wall of Wind) instead. As it is now, I can do a GR 100 in under 5 minutes, so that’s good enough to scratch that Monk itch. If I want to do more, I’ll pop on my DH clustermara.

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It would be nice if there was another rune besides cold for TR that worked for pushing. The stack thing and doors, etc, is too much at times.
Monkey King is pretty fun though. This next season Monkey King Wave of Light is going to be extremely strong. That’s another option besides TR.

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That is very true. I remember when WoL was really the go to build, before using the fire rune that sploded it all over the screen. Once that became the only viable build, I stopped. Of course, I can’t remember if it was the lightning or the fire rune that was the first overused cookie cutter rune/build.

I may do that with the Monk. Just like the DH, I’ll use the same one and swap builds in the armory. I want to keep it to a hanful of characters in the beginning before my fractured mind goes crazy again with too many characters.

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There’s no other option for a TR oriented push build other than Flurry though; SWK, LoD or PoJ all use it. Close second would be Northern Breeze but no one risks it with holy damage when they can drop sudden icy bombs for huge amount of burst damage.

Only Inna’s can be an exception for TR because it’s a utility for the build while MA does all the damage. For example I use TR-Bluster for my Inna’s, it’s capable of running near GR115+ while withstanding pretty much fine on its own.

You can use both Breathe and Blinding Flash, that’s what I do.

Upgrade from the cube if you’re desperate. Gamble from Kadala if you manage to hit up around GR100+ solo.

If you gonna go for SoJ you’d want a few legendary items to stack lightning elemental skill damage. It’s easier to go for CoE and Captain Crimson’s.

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I remember doing TR with SW set. Unfortuneatly, needing the Holy runes for spirit generation, but at least the ‘decoy’ did enough damage. It does seem stronger than PoJ, but PoJ seems a bit more fluid and a lot earier to set up/use.

Yeah, that’s true. I can put both on my bar, usually #2 and #3, since I have DS as #1.

Yup. I finally got one. FINALLY!!! It’s just a reg one tho. But it’s a 199 w/6crit hit and I rolled 42 crit dam. I ran out of souls for more rerolls. I think the dex is 490 something. Would have made a really nice ancient too.

Yeah. At one point I did. I had as much lightning as possible to take advantage of the WKL weapon. As time went by, I opted for other items. I went for as much sheet damage as I could muster hoping for better items along the way. Currently I have the CoE and Cap. Crimson set going. I only have 52 total cdr, but at least with Zodiac I can keep Epiphany up 100% of the time.

Still a work in progress. I’ll mess around with it more in nonseason and have a better idea on how I want to PoJ in S27. I’ll mess around with the WoL in season 27 once I have all of the set pieces and companion components as well.