Want to make D4 more like D3? Why not create a MEGA expansion for D3 that revamps the end game etc…
THEN
Create D4 that is more on-par with what we would expect with a Diablo 2 sequel…
The track we are headed on now (Which could change, yes) is a D4 that has more D3 in it than any other game. Sure the character selection LOOKS like D2 and we have runes, but is the gameplay/design anything reminiscent of D2/expanded upon? No, its a D3:Remaster…
I really think you should just do a D3 MEGA expansion like PoE and then work on D4… D3 is a good game for CERTAIN players… Its like a FINAL FIGHT ACTION GAME mixed with SOME RPG elements…With some major tweaks to end game, D3 could still be relevent. And then creating a new separate style of game, D4, it wouldn’t separate the community like what PoE devs said a sequel usually does.
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POE 4.0 still looks and plays like crap
GGG lack the innovation and originality to come up with a new game so they keep milking the same stale stagnant cow they’ve been milking for the past 6 years. They’re one-trick ponies.
Whoever thinks D4 needs to copy POE…kids, don’t do drugs…
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No, no, and also no.
PoE is still going to end out a seizure fest at their end game meta, where the characters look stagnant and the world is being dragged around them and the only way any of it looks decent is MTX.
PoE has a horrible trading system, that only fanboys defend.
D4 is the right thing to do, and they just need to listen to the meaningful feedback, such as finite versus infinite, and End Game content.
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Agreed OP, i made few threads about it, they all got moved ;(
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troll pls go away, you keep posting the same message, go play diablo 3 and immortal please.
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why copy poe, when poe just a copy of d2(and not very good at it, its pvp is garbage). only game diablo 4 should take note on is its own aka diablo 2. poe cant do diablo 2 justice because they cant use diablo 2 content directly as its copyright. why bother with a copycat when u have the original and can be use any time u want. jay wilson is an idiot, trying to put some crappy wow system into diablo universe and failed miserably. the current team should take note on this, and go back to the root where diablo 2 is what make the series where it is today. not d3, some cry baby will jump out and cry sale number. but it means nothing, a game design for simpleton wouldn’t have the depth and longevity as a game design with a working end game and itemization. all the big streamer on twitch and youtube said this millions time, d3 by all standard failed compare to d2.
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I didn’t say copy PoE in the sense of gameplay etc… Copy in the sense that they are making a sequel BUT using the same game with a continued story.
So take Diablo 3 and make a MEGA EXPANSION that continues the story and revamps the endgame systems. Same great combat but with a better end game.
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Work on D4 as an actual new game but plays 100% different than Diablo 3… Otherwise, we are gonna get a D4 that is essentially D3:Remastered
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Dude…Diablo II is OLD and outdated. Yes it is an amazing game, I played it for many years and even had to go to therapy to quit playing it. The meta of ARPG has changed over the years, the mindset of players have changed as well.
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disagree…
while i think poe does some great stuff in certain areas a game like diablo 4 should not just copy from poe or any other game… it is ok to look at other games and learn from what worked there or get inspiration…
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the in game system such as stash and gem(not stackable) sure. share stash and stackable misc item etc all life hack good in todays game. diablo 3 itemization? hell no, reason why u still in this game playing beta testing 7 years into the game released. failed, d2 was a complete game by LOD released and 1.10 just ascent it to a arpg king status. what did d3 accomplished? nothing beside sales number, no streamer/serious player like the game due to the flawed of the itemization or lack of depth what ever u called it.
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You (and anyone else that claims D3 is bad) represent 1%-10% of the Diablo III community. That’s all. Theres a silent majority out there that plays this game and loves every little bit of it. You’ll never see them complain or post on the forums because they don’t bother with the drama. Those are the type of people that drive games like this.
You say D3 is dead and has been a complete failure for 7 years, but I ask you this;
Why is the server still online?
Why are the devs still pumping out new legendary powers and sets?
Why have they been pushing out content from the “failed expansion”??
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I totally get what you’re saying. I had to take a minute to wrap my head around PoE 2 announcement. It’s not really a separate game. It’s PoE with a massive expansion, skill system overhaul and graphics update, so that your progress “carries over” (but its the same game so its not actually going anywhere in the first place).
D3 could also have a similar massive expansion with overhauls. I don’t know if that’s going to happen in the mega-corporate red tape world of Activision-Blizzard. The game is now handled by the classic games team, which essentially means (probably) no more major content outside of balance updates and new seasons.
If it’s any consolation, I think at BlizzCon they said they are trying to take the best parts of Diablo 1, 2 and 3 while making Diablo 4. Something like, the horror atmosphere from D1, the class and rune system from D2 and the combat from D3…something like that.
Also keep in mind, the game is far from being done. There were whole systems in Diablo 3 that got scrapped before it was officially released. I remember there being some sort of Charm system at some point. Changes will come and go, probably several times over, before Diablo 4 ever gets released. What we see now is not necessarily what will be the final product.
I think it’s too late to tell them to stop and scrap everything they’ve worked on now, go back and make this giant Diablo 3 expansion, and then come back and start over. I think our best bet is moving forward on Diablo 4 and making sure we are active in providing feedback as often as possible.
This is the most receptive I have ever seen the Diablo team in terms of listening to and considering community feedback. We as a community have a real chance at making Diablo 4 into something we want (within reason).
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I play both Diablo 3 and POE. Play them both for different reasons and things to do. Variety is a good thing as people differ in what they like. If every game was exactly the same why have more than one game company. I will wait to see what both games offer, may still play both or may play only one of them, no way to know for sure until they are both available. I can say for certain that I will not be buying D4 straight out of the gate, will give it a while to see how it pans out MMO’s are not my go to play style.
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So many people not reading what OP wrote…
Its not a poe vs diablo its the method and setup which would help a large company like blizzard refine there direction going forward.
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This scares me a lot. System wise and what they showed so far seems toouch diablo 3. We need true successor to diablo 2. Diablo 4 for now looks, feels and plays like a arcade console game. They are working they’re assets of to make such a beautiful open world world with many dungeons but the systems and gameplay look too much diablo 3. There are core parts of arpg either missing or what is there is verry shallow.
Another PoE thread. Exciting.
Keep up the posting. Blizzard will surely scrap the game they’ve been working on for years to make a D3 expansion. That’s what the players want. This would be a very well received decision.
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As nice as the gameplay video of POE2 looked graphics wise, the gameplay of the archer they showed sure looked boring. Like a more stutter-version of the turret DH.
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Your threads were you saying that PoE was better than Diablo 4, and laughing at people for disagreeing.
I feel like this is legitimately more of a nightmare than just rebooting the series. That’s just how I feel about it, though.
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Delaying D4 by years, to make a product that would compete directly with it, sounds like a spectacular way to waste money.
I wouldn’t have been opposed to more attempts at fixing D3. But certainly not while also making D4.
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Please dont.POE is trash,I mean yes there are a lot of content but the gameplay is horribly boring.Even D2 still has a better gameplay than Poe.