You clearly do. I can’t explain it other way. Otherwise you would not write about something no one else mentioned. Moron.
There is nothing to read related to the question. You only spam.
Well it looks like this thread has been trollercoastered.
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Cut this sodding crap out. What am I even reading?
It really isn’t hard to make these builds 1-2GRs within each other (that’s like plus or minus 17% – a big margin of error). I just don’t think it’s Blizzard’s formula to have diversity that you can get lost in.
There is a type of player that wants to know they are playing the best build, not waste time with 2nd rate stuff, or spending exorbitant time learning how to improve their char, refarm gear because they rolled it wrong, get frustrated when missing a small detail etc. – they make up a large percentage of the base.
For longevity, you need more than 5 good builds to play, especially within the same class. Blizz rotates it every 3-6 months, which satisfies the above type of player but leaves a lot to be desired for the rest of us.
A few weeks after GoD6 was released, after I did some solo push, I started to flip-flop between zDH and GoD6. Now I’m revisiting old builds like Blessed Shield because I need change, the issue is that the power isn’t there – so I’m losing interest quickly, playing less, but patiently waiting for these patch notes to arrive, unless the next game swoops my attention first.
Hopefully every class gets their share of builds to get lost in for another 6 months.
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Same here. Waiting for Old Barb Builds to be viable again for example, like the Raekor Build.
Well…all classes deserve more love than they get, but well lets be realistic and just hope for the best for 2.7
I would just leave the kid to his thoughts. He clearly needs medication. You explained it so well even my 6 year old god son understood it. If this guy cant then that is on him.
I do think you are right though. Its not his build its him. My crew plays with every one but eve we would avoid a player like this.
No matter what you do he will not get it. He wants to force a meta spot just so he feels like he fits in. I think we all can see the the flaw in that logic.
Ye sure. And he did so by avoiding to answer like 3-4 crucial questions and started to insult me.
I did not avoid any answer. I answered you. And also i was not the one starting with insults. That might be the case in your world, i dont know.
I also never said that DH should not be buffed. I said it is unrealistic that DH will get buffed further in the upcoming patch as it just recently received a buff that caused many other people to cry for a nerf, which is not the right route to go.
I only stated that it is not that hard to find a group as a DH as you make it look like. And i also stated that there are other classes out there that would need a buff more than DH does currently in 2.68. That was really all i wrote to begin with.
You were the one starting this crap-show in my opinion and you might have a different one. But you clearly started with the insulting part and i think many other people might agree. But thats not up to me, and i do not see any point in dragging this out further. Have a nice day
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Feels like 20 times maximum pierce is still way too much. I’d just cap the pierce damage multiplier on Devouring Arrow. Maybe a maximum of +210% damage or something, and then tweak the six piece to 20k.
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What do you expect with the way you talk to people. You clearly are the reason you cant find a group to meta with.
Let me tell you something. If people enjoy playing with you they will help fit your build into the meta.
Good luck there kiddo. You will need it, but you wont have to worry about it for much longer. D3 is falling off and almost completely dead. Soon you will be hard pressed to find anyone to play with at all. So take it for what its worth, worry more about the player and less about the build as its your attitude that will make people not want to play with you. No matter what build you use. Truth is hard
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Yes @ Vena, i agree. A 20 pierce - max cirri combined with a setbuff would prob lower the possibility of a GR150 clear , but would buff speedruns and the “omg dh is so op” opinion in pubs and def push speedruns by a fair bit.
Nerfing the rune would also be my way to go. Or limit cirri to a way lower amount like 10 or even 5 and then adjust the setvalue, so that maybe other runes and playstyles are en par or maybe 1 to 5 Grifts below HA DA
The uncapped nature of Devouring Arrow is the definite problem.
Exactly. And it would mean DH is still out of META. And I asked you to explain why you think DH should stay out of META and you did not answer me.
If they go the route Iria proposed there is a chance for DH to be part of speed META and I think you know it and that is exactly the reason why you are against it.
Missile Dampening aside, our big solo pushes are seeing big hits due to pierces in excess of 20. Here is a chart I made comparing 40 vs 20 pierces:
Total Damage: 95325 vs 26040
Obviously as the trash dies subsequent attacks become less. But you can start to see the obvious happening when you’re fighting a single target.
I ran a test and saw single target 2T and 57T in thick thick density, which would mean I’m seeing like 40+ pierces without missile dampening in thick density, so if the pierce cap were applied that hit would have stopped at like 29T, but my damage would have been compensated by the higher GoD6 multiplier.
So i think Iria’s projection is correct, but i’d go beyond and tune the DA rune and pump up the GoD6 multiplier higher – solving many more issues and making more competitive builds possible.
| DA Mult | Hit Damage | |
|---|---|---|
| First Hit | 155 | 155 |
| 1 | 1.7 | 263.5 |
| 2 | 2.4 | 372 |
| 3 | 3.1 | 480.5 |
| 4 | 3.8 | 589 |
| 5 | 4.5 | 697.5 |
| 6 | 5.2 | 806 |
| 7 | 5.9 | 914.5 |
| 8 | 6.6 | 1023 |
| 9 | 7.3 | 1131.5 |
| 10 | 8 | 1240 |
| 11 | 8.7 | 1348.5 |
| 12 | 9.4 | 1457 |
| 13 | 10.1 | 1565.5 |
| 14 | 10.8 | 1674 |
| 15 | 11.5 | 1782.5 |
| 16 | 12.2 | 1891 |
| 17 | 12.9 | 1999.5 |
| 18 | 13.6 | 2108 |
| 19 | 14.3 | 2216.5 |
| 20 | 15 | 2325 |
| 21 | 15.7 | 2433.5 |
| 22 | 16.4 | 2542 |
| 23 | 17.1 | 2650.5 |
| 24 | 17.8 | 2759 |
| 25 | 18.5 | 2867.5 |
| 26 | 19.2 | 2976 |
| 27 | 19.9 | 3084.5 |
| 28 | 20.6 | 3193 |
| 29 | 21.3 | 3301.5 |
| 30 | 22 | 3410 |
| 31 | 22.7 | 3518.5 |
| 32 | 23.4 | 3627 |
| 33 | 24.1 | 3735.5 |
| 34 | 24.8 | 3844 |
| 35 | 25.5 | 3952.5 |
| 36 | 26.2 | 4061 |
| 37 | 26.9 | 4169.5 |
| 38 | 27.6 | 4278 |
| 39 | 28.3 | 4386.5 |
| 40 | 29 | 4495 |
| Average Pierce Damage @ 40 pierces | 2379.25 | |
| Total Damage @ 40 pierce | 95325 | |
| Average Pierce @ 20 pierces Damage | 1294.25 | |
| Total Damage @ 20 pierces | 26040 |
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You are kind of paranoid , arent you?
Where did i wrote that i want DH to stay out of Meta?
Why should i not want to be DH in a speed meta…and in all honesty…arent they in several speed metas already?
I mainly play DH during season, so why should i have bad intentions against this class . Like i said earlier, you should learn to read
I am not one of this guys but if huge percentage of players base is you really don’t have a choice.
I also do understand this kind of people. It is about how game was designed. When you have all but that one thing you try to farm for that one thing as efficient as you can. In non season that is usually only Paragons.
Agreed. But to play game at all you need at least one build that is desired in group play. To be able to play at all is more important than to have inter class balance. If I have to wait 3-6 months for DH to have a build that is desired in group I am ok with it. But for DH that is more like 5-6 years.
I played GoD, Impale, zDH. I am willing to play any DH build that is part of meta but sadly there is none.
OMFG.
Let me ask you like this. Why you are against Iria’s proposal. Do you even know?
If they do what Iria proposed:
GoD will not become Boss KIller.
GoD will not become Trash Killer.
We will not have better zDH build.
GoD will not become stronger for solo push.
GoD will become stronger for speed runs.
So DH will not have META build for BK role, TK roles or support role. It might have a spot in Speed GR META groups.
So if you are against proposed change you are really against DH getting a META spot for speeds.
I am not paranoid. You are. You don’t even know if DH has a spot for speed META but you have courage to write BS on forums. Are you afraid of DH getting that META spot?
No DH is not part of any speed metas. Like I already wrote speed meta is LOD Mages Necro runs.
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Sorry, such a BS. IF you scroll WAAAAAAY up, i told you that we I play on Non-Season with 2 DHs. 1 Zdh and 1 GodDH and me as Frenzy-Barb, and i even invited you to play with us some 125s.
And youre ONLY comment was “you are slacking”
So at least stop being a hypocrite.
And your ONLY wish is to be in some “Most Efficient Technique Available” - Group with DH.
Furthermore you present the current situation like it is hard to find ANY group with DH when this is clearly not just not the case, but it was at a point where people where kicked out of pub grps for NOT playing DH.
One simple edit can make Impale a meta contender: S2 to 12000%. I think we could see that in 2.7.
I’ve been running zDH with a Grim Scythe trash clearer and sader RGK. It’s been fine for leveling gems to 150. There is definitely a rigidness in the roles, because the RGK that I play with can easily take Impale as guardian killer and we’d still finish in time, it’s just that nobody feels like sitting around an extra 45 seconds at the guardian, and sader pulling is much more helpful during the grift.
The DH could potentially do GR150 as trash clearer too, but that’d be quite the push.
(to those reading this, i’m talking about non-season)
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