How much power does the season 28 altar buffs add?

General Discussion
21

How does that work in your mind?

You can get 5 points of mainstat per point of Paragon above 800. That is a direct translation of power and toughness. I don’t see that as a less increase, but when taking in the whole of your character, assuming you have near max items with augments in place, high level gems, mainstat alone isn’t going to increase it much, but at say 1000 Paragon at time, thats a 5000 Mainstat addition that can’t be ignored.

So I would say its not so much diminished as it has less effect because you have maxed everything else out along the way and that’s all that’s left to boost your total capability.

Meaning that:

You were upgrading gear, gems, augments along with paragon at the same time till you hit a point where the gear, gems and augments are essentially done or maxed and all that’s left is the paragon.

Further, this can be clarified with a simple experiment. Take a character with 5800 paragon, but you run 10 rifts at a time with only say 1000 paragon worth of points added to your mainstat with those rifts being ran a level where you can complete them in say 10 minutes average. Run 10, add a 1000, run 10 add a 1000, all while keeping the same GR. Alternatively, you could increase the GR level to maintain the same time completion. I’m using a 10 minute run time, as when you are clearing at sub 3 minutes the changes aren’t as noticeable. The increase in capability should still be linear at this point assuming no other changes.

Anyway.

Just an idea.

2 Likes
22

Probably in the lines of going from 800 to 1600 is like doubling the power from paragons (if you put them in main stat). To get that power boost again you’ll need to go from 1600 to 3200 (and even a lot higher if your 1600 gear is augmented).

1 Like
23

That’s also what I was thinking. Going from 10k main stat to 20k is doable. 10k is probably around the time early in the season when you farmed your entire set and have around 1000 paragons and 20k is when you start throwing augments and a couple hundred paragons from running GRs. But going from 20k to 40k, you would need around 4000 paragons in raw main stat.

1 Like
24

No, not really.

I think there is a sense in which what you’re saying sort of makes sense:

It seems as though you’re looking at your “baseline” power as your character being at 0 paragon, and no altar powers. And so, whatever gains you get from there are going to be coming from either extra paragon, or from the altar.

Going from 0 → 2000 paragon nets you +4.4 tiers of power. Meanwhile, fully unlocking the altar nets you, let’s say (we’ll be a little generous), about +8 tiers of power. So you’re now a total of 12.4 tiers more powerful than you were at 0 paragon, with no altar, and your combined bonus is about 65% due to the altar, and 35% due to paragon.

If you then go from 2000 → 10000 paragon, that nets you another +7 tiers of power, meaning your total bonus from paragon is +11.4 tiers, the altar is still at +8 tiers, and your combined bonus is +19.4 tiers. So in this situation, about 60% of that net bonus comes from paragon, and only 40% from the altar.

So, as a share of that “total bonus”, the altar does make a smaller contribution as you get higher in paragon. But, as an actual flat buff of “+X tiers”, it doesn’t get lower as you get to higher paragon. It stays the same.

None of the altar bonuses are something like “gain 5000 mainstat”, that would scale down as you gain paragon (like the way the Guardian set does). It’s all additions to multiplicative categories (like elite damage or elemental damage) or independent multipliers (like the +50% damage, red Triune ring, or Power Pylon ability).

I’m going to be recalculating the actual observed buff from the Altar today. Last time I did it, it was between +7 and +8 tiers, and I’m not really expecting it to move very much.

2 Likes
25

Just finished. The post talking about this stuff is here.

Right now, the Altar buff is somewhere between +7.2 tiers and +8.6 tiers, with +7.9 being, I think, the most likely and accurate figure.

26

Seems like you are agreeing with me. Obviously with more paragon comes better gear, as that is all part of the more paragon player’s advantage. But with junk gear, and 800 paragon, that altar is giving 10-20 tier GR boost, as I saw it.

Seems you are agreeing with me there too.

27

No. The altar gives about 8 tiers, no matter what paragon you are.

28

It still isn’t correct to say that the power scales inversely with paragon.